Diet - Eggs or no eggs?

I raise quail and quail eggs are a staple protein in my diet. Did they give me prostate cancer? Are they making my cancer worse? Don't know, don't care...I love quail eggs (and quail too) 😁

I am too old to not eat things that give me pleasure. None of us are getting out of this alive.

Hi,
I think moderation is the key. I eat maybe 6 eggs a month, but thats me. It hard to eat anything these days without some sort of health threat with a lot of foods. Common sense portioning?

Dave 3+4

@northoftheborder The fiber in oats is supposed to mitigate the glycemic load, but that’s only applicable in its raw form such as steel cut oats.
And you are spot on: The Cheerios - like Cheetos!😋 are so finely ground that the ‘balance’ is completely gone.
Phil

@heavyphil @paulsweeney after our conversation I felt I needed to know more about this TMAO phenomenon and as so often happens on the web, conflicting evidence has been found:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201027092211.htm And also https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11545679/
So this is in direct contrast to those claiming that a meat based diet is responsible for most of the maladies we face.
It seems that the bacterium Bilophila thrives on fat and bile and it abounds from eating meat; and it reduces the production of TMA in the gut, therefore reducing production of TMAO.
Interestingly, both of these articles - and numerous others - suggest a genetic predisposition or selection process for the gut biome and once again, trying to nail down the causes of certain diseases remains elusive.
I have no doubt that a strict vegan diet may be helpful for some people but I can’t shake the image of our ancient forbears brandishing spears to bring down a wooly mammoth or similar beast.
Nuts, berries and insects helped them along but it was that chunk of meat that sustained them and allowed them to flourish. Perhaps some of us eat way too much of it - as well as too much dairy or too many eggs. Too much of anything is never good…Best,
Phil

@carbcounter Since I'm in post surgery recover phase, I've been avoiding bladder irritants. These stewed apples are really good on top of greek yogurt (cold) or on top of hot oatmeal.

STEWED APPLES
Stewed apples are one of the simplest ways we support the body during post-surgery or times of digestive overwhelm. When the body is healing it doesn’t want to work hard to break food down. This is where gently cooked foods come in. Apples slowly stewed with warming spices like cinnamon, cardamom, and a touch of sweetness from dates or molasses (no honey-potential irritant) become soft, easy to digest, and deeply nourishing. - nursestonurture

Here’s how to make them:
• 4 apples (pink lady), diced (skin on or off?)
• ½ cup water
• 1-2 tsp cinnamon
• 1 tsp grated ginger (or ¼ tsp ground)
Simmer low for 15–20 mins — until soft + shiny. No boiling.

Why they help: Pectin supports good gut bacteria. Spices calm inflammation. Easier on the gut than raw fruit

Serve on oats, yogurt, pancakes, or as a reset after stress, travel, or antibiotics.

Removed from the regular recipe to avoid bladder irritants
• 1–2 tsp apple cider vinegar or lemon juice

@fritzo
Love stewed apples. And I often do the poor man's version - I cut up the apple and sprinkle cinnamon on it!

Dates have a bad reputation for glycemic index, they have more sugar for their size and apparently more fructose than many others. Don't some people find honey a preferable sweetener?

@northoftheborder
My own concern is exactly the pre-diabetes.
I've found that cream and also beef fat may help digestion (and taste good) but may aggravate blood glucose probably through the other mechanism, increasing insulin resistance.

I guess a half-cup of dry (organic!!) oatmeal is going to be more like a full cup of puffy Cheerios, but two cups may be pushing it. A friend of mine has diabetes, only recently under control with injected Ozempic, but he was starting breakfast with a full cup of dry oatmeal made up with a ton of berries ... says his wife insists. Not a good way for a diabetic to start out the day. Portion control is half or three quarters or more, of diabetic diet control.

If Cheerios really have that high an effective GI in spite of mitigating factors then the stuff has been pure evil for its entire existence, even people with no diabetes should probably avoid big blood glucose excursions, that may be exactly what eventually triggers diabetes in the first place.

(and was I guilty of this when young, omg yes)

@carbcounter I'm no expert....but thought this article was somewhat helpful.
https://www.eatthis.com/healthiest-sweeteners/
Sounds like dates are great for baked goods. Applesauce works that way too.

When you need sweetener for liquids, healthy options narrow down. Honey sounds like a winner. They say honey is sweeter than sugar because it contains a higher percentage of fructose. This means you can get away with a smaller portion.

I've been using bananas in my morning smoothie to sweeten it up vs. using brown sugar or artificial sweeteners found in most protein powders. Adds fiber and I suspect a ton of sugars, but at least they are natural.

@mjp0512 IIRC, the 2011 Richman study (using an existing dataset of self-reported info from >27K male doctors in the late 1990s and early 2000s) found no correlation between egg consumption and being diagnosed with prostate cancer; the only statistically-significant correlation was between egg consumption and progression from non-metastatic to metastatic prostate cancer.

However, since only about 0.04% of patients progressed (eggs or no eggs), the odds of *not* progressing from non-metastatic to metastatic PCa were over 99.9% for this cohort with or without higher egg consumption. 🤷

@carbcounter For oats, the trick is to use whole oats, which break down much more slowly than pre-processed "rolled oats," "quick oats" or "minute oats" (though those are still better than Cheerios).

Whole oats have a very low glycemic load and index, so the only concern would be what else you put in your oatmeal (fresh fruit raises the GI and GL a bit, but also brings important health benefits; sugar, honey, or syrup raise the GI and GL a lot).

The general rule of thumb is that the more processed something is, the faster it can break down into sugar in your bloodstream, causing sudden spikes instead of a steady release.

p.s. I do like Cheerios — they're much toastier in Canada than in the U.S. — but I treat them as junk food, not health food.