What do you think comes next for me?

Posted by kevinm4 @kevinm4, 2 days ago

I have been reading about the situation of others for the last few months. Now, I have one of my own. April 8th, I finally had a biopsy of my prostate. It was a transperineal one performed at Barnes Hospital in St. Louis. Here are my important numbers before the biopsy and then I will go over the biopsy. Multiparametric MRI in February 2025. PIRADs 2 and PSA density .16. ISOPSA 15.9 (Jan. 26)and most recent PSA 5.33 (Jan. 26)
The biopsy was performed with nothing to aim for so samples were taken from 10 different areas of my prostate. Five of the areas came back as benign prostatic tissue. Two of the areas came back prostatic adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+3=6, grade group 1. Two areas came back as Atypical small acinar proliferation and the last one as High-grade prostatic intraepithelial neoplasia.
If I have left out anything you want to know, just ask. I have the test result, but can't speak to anyone about it until Monday, the 20th, so I would appreciate input as to how you see my situation.

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@kevinm4 You’re right about lung cancer vs prostate: we have way too many choices with way too many variations, so choosing the BEST treatment can be daunting!
At your age 72, IMRT is an excellent treatment if needed. Yes, it’s much longer than 5 SBRT (cyberknife, etc) sessions, but it is generally gentler on your insides most of the time.
Of course, I am allowing for exceptions at both ends of the spectrum, but IMRT (EBRT, etc) delivers the same amount of radiation as SBRT but over a 5-7 week span; so it’s less of a shock each time you get treated.
I had salvage therapy using IMRT -25 sessions as opposed to traditional 39. Studies showed increased SE’s short term but they were equal to the traditional method at 6 months; so, in effect, no difference.
You are G3+3 right now so AS is what you want; but if you become G3+4, treatment would probably be necessary and if you have the time IMRT is no big deal.
Phil

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@heavyphil
Thanks for the information, Phil. It's good to converse with someone who has been treated with the treatment I am interested in. Did you experience any side effects?

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A lot of good advice from all of you. Thanks so much!

I am a former lung cancer patient, so this isn't my first cancer rodeo. After listening to various doctors I picked the treatment I wanted. My lung cancer has been in remission for over nine years, but I have to say navigating the prostate cancer landscape is far more difficult and much more confusing than anything I experienced with my lung cancer.
Might I ask: has anyone reading this conversation tried IMRT for their prostate?

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@kevinm4 - 20 sessions of IMRT Oct 2025. Hardest part was the full bladder, empty bowel requirement. You want to practice this a week or 2 beforehand if you choose this route. The only side effect I maintain now is that when my insides signal I need a bowel movement, I need it now. There is very little lag time between the signal and the action. Luckily, I have this down to immediately following morning coffee so there is no disruption during the day. During treatment I needed to stay away from spicy, greasy or it would not be a good day.

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@heavyphil
Thanks for the information, Phil. It's good to converse with someone who has been treated with the treatment I am interested in. Did you experience any side effects?

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@kevinm4 Very minor, Kevin; about 10 days of increased bowel movements only at the end of treatment. All good after that. No urinary issues at all.
It is VERY important to follow empty rectum/full bladder protocol to minimize SE’s.
My RO and his team stressed this every day! Best,
Phil

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@heavyphil
Thanks for the information, Phil. It's good to converse with someone who has been treated with the treatment I am interested in. Did you experience any side effects?

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@kevinm4 First should get Decipher to see how aggressive the cancer is (done with biopsy material). If you decide to consider IMRT get the standard Prostox test. This is a germline (good for life) genetics test that will indicate if you are likely (>75%) to have long term side effects from IMRT (from 20-45 fractions). The 88% that pass Prostox have an 8% probability of long-term side effects.

To minimize side effects (past Prostox) make sure the facility has good equipment to provide IMRT/IGRT/VMAT so that positioning is dynamic, and lots of beams are used that go 360 around your body. This minimizes exposure to the rest of your body and therefore minimizes side effects. Some on the board claim MRI is best but I did not have side effects from CT positioning. It is also peaceful since MRI is loud. Positioning on the table that approximates the target (final targeting is done by the machine) takes as long as the treatment. Each treatment is 2-3 minutes depending on how many Gys are being delivered (1.8-3.0) and you need to be still so the dose is delivered correctly, and the machine does not stop (safety feature if off target). All beams will intersect at the prostate and it will be fried at conclusion so dry orgasms. I had sexual function as soon as I got off ADT (you should not have ADT for 3+3 or even 3+4; at 4+4 I had combo treatment). I did have urethra constriction and was prescribe Flomax and them Gemtesa after treatment. With the medication the amount of urine I passed went from a decrease of 50% from pre-IMRT to an 100% increase after with medication (did not realize effect of BPH). Scaled back and got off Gemtesa. Substituted low dose Cialis for Flomax due to a better side-effect profile (dizzy and high pulse rate). So minor urgency, capacity, and flow effects pharma made better than before IMRT.

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Thanks everyone for all the information. I will copy all of it for the future, but for now, after speaking to my doctor this morning I am now on active surveillance. My surveillance consists of PSA in 6 months, MRI in 12-18 months and initial re-biopsy in 12 months, otherwise a biopsy could be 12-24 months after that. I also asked about the Decipher test and she said she would submit it and only order it if insurance covered it. Again, I appreciate your help and guidance.

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