Diagnosed today w/ PCa. Seeking feedback w/ treatment I think I want

Posted by thig350 @thig350, 4 days ago

Well, have been learning from this support group for past 5 months since PSA test came back 11.7 then 5 months later 8.7. Today, biopsy results were shared by my Urologist. Diagnosed with Grade 3 PCa. Data is as follows:

57 year old male.
Risk group: unfavorable intermediate risk prostate cancer
Prostate biopsy date: 4/2/26
Hypoechoic lesions: right base anterior
Clinical stage: T2a
Grade: 3
Highest gleason grade: 4+3
Cores positives on biopsy: 3/13
Prostate volume: 35ccs
Other imaging findings: MRI w PIRAD 5 lesion - right anterior transitional zone.

My urologist said that the two best treatment options were either remove the prostate or radiation with ADT. He recommends removal. Given my younger age, I really don't want to deal with ED or incontinence when I am in my prime if you will. I am leaning towards radiation with ADT. I believe it is called medical castration where they don't actually remove the testicles but instead provide meds to reduce the testosterone...

Urologist said that if I go with radiation I have a chance of down the road of bowel, rectum, bladder damage, urinary issues. Could be as much as 7-10 years away but the risk is there. Plus, no surgery if the cancer returns post radiation.

Can anyone here speak to life post radiation several years down the line? Is it that bad? If the cancer returns, am I limited with treatment options?

Also, what is it with the apparent milestones of 5 years post treatment and 10-15 years post treatment? Is this what the medical professionals are saying that prostate cancer survivors expected lifespan is post treatment?

I welcome any and all thoughts and feedback and thank you in advance.

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I'll share my RARP experience. I am a couple years younger than you, and last year I went through the same thing, with the same worries about ED and incontinence (things that aren't guaranteed to NOT happen with radiation by the way). I didn't have a single second of either.

I spent four months preparing for surgery, hammering my pelvic floor, my core and both a the same time to the point my pelvic floor therapist said she'd never felt a stronger pelvic floor on a man (you can assume how she FELT that...).

While getting into better shape, especially that pelvic floor, doesn't guarantee outcomes - it does improve them. If they can spare any of your nerves then you greatly increase your chances of ED if you prepare. As for incontinence, the pelvic floor work helps you deal with losing the one extra sphincter that men have to preserve continence and essentially just end up with what women have and they use their pelvic floor to control it.

I've never had a single accident, never a single flaccid moment when I didn't want one. I think you do yourself a disservice to not explore the best path your doctor recommends - especially at just 57. I was 54, I was told that RARP was far more recommended for men our age than radiation because we will recover faster, have better chance at fewer side effects and that radiation's side effects could rear it's ugly head in our lifetime.

That's my $0.02, happy to discuss in private messages if you wish.

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@thig350
In reply to treatment choice.
I will be honest with you, won't pull any punches, I was advised to go with radiotherapy mainly due to also waiting to have my spine operated on due to having Stenosis spinel channel nerve damage in neck. I haven't been properly well since last April / May after the treatment concluded. 6 weeks ago they found blood in my poo, setting alarm bells ringing, quickly arranged a colonoscopy, thank evens they didn't find any bowel cancer, this is the worrying bit, they found damage caused by the radiotherapy treatment and polyps and also diagnosed severe bowl Diverticulosis disease wide spread. I have got to have the procedure repeated on 24th April to investigate further, won't pretend I'm not concerned.
Good luck with what ever treatment path you take

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I had a prostatectomy in 2010 and Salvage radiation in 2014 when it came back. The only side effects I’ve had is incontinent six years after the radiation, which has gotten worse over time.

In 2017 I had a laminectomy and they had to open me up from L1 to L7 And put in a metal plate. I still have some nerve damage in my right arm and leg, but the partial numbness is sort of convenient when I have my monthly blood tests.

Sorry to hear you’ve had so many side effects from radiation. We seem to hear about them in here, but I hear from so many people in the nine online meetings I go every month. Very few have anything but cystitis. Some people do have the kind of problems you’re encountering, however.

The spine surgery Kept me from doing stuff a lot longer than the prostatectomy. You do have to really take it easy after having that surgery.

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@jeffmarc Thank you Jeff (and everyone) for your responses thus far. I read the discussion on radiation and bladder damage. Feels like in some cases going the route of radiation is kicking the proverbial can down the road relative to post treatment side effects.

Per my Urologist, I will be scheduled for a PET scan then meeting with oncology radiologist followed by surgeon so I will get more input. Because I am super active, travel etc. I really need to nail the post treatment side effects component.

Thanks again, everyone.

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@thig350

I'm 59 and recently diagnosed. I'm 3+4 (small patterns of 4) and have done a lot of research on both. Consulting with RO's at two of the best medical centers in the country (MD Anderson & Sloan Kettering and would highly recommend you do that if you can).

What they have told me is bowel cancer risk for average person is 1%. With radiation it's 2% --- so doubled but still extremely small. SBRT technology plus use of gel spacers significantly lower radiation to other areas.

Extremely tough decision I know but I'm leaning radiation as recovery etc much easier and RO's telling me my chance of recurrence is sub 10% and treatments now exist should you have recurrence in many instances.

Don't take the "one and done" line from a surgeon without investigating further at some top flight institutions. Good luck....know firsthand this is a tough decision!

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I'll share my RARP experience. I am a couple years younger than you, and last year I went through the same thing, with the same worries about ED and incontinence (things that aren't guaranteed to NOT happen with radiation by the way). I didn't have a single second of either.

I spent four months preparing for surgery, hammering my pelvic floor, my core and both a the same time to the point my pelvic floor therapist said she'd never felt a stronger pelvic floor on a man (you can assume how she FELT that...).

While getting into better shape, especially that pelvic floor, doesn't guarantee outcomes - it does improve them. If they can spare any of your nerves then you greatly increase your chances of ED if you prepare. As for incontinence, the pelvic floor work helps you deal with losing the one extra sphincter that men have to preserve continence and essentially just end up with what women have and they use their pelvic floor to control it.

I've never had a single accident, never a single flaccid moment when I didn't want one. I think you do yourself a disservice to not explore the best path your doctor recommends - especially at just 57. I was 54, I was told that RARP was far more recommended for men our age than radiation because we will recover faster, have better chance at fewer side effects and that radiation's side effects could rear it's ugly head in our lifetime.

That's my $0.02, happy to discuss in private messages if you wish.

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@survivor5280 Thank you for sharing your experience. I've learned alot since my initial post on this thread.... Because of my age of 57 I can see leaning towards removal because I am concerned that radiation could cause me problems down the line.... I really don't want to be in my late 60's or early 70's and need to deal with the radiation side effects plus whatever else life is throwing at me at that time. That said, radiation is very effective and from what I have learned, there is a little bit of "overspray" of radiation that hits the area around the prostate which would in theory zap any miniscule cancer cells that if I had opted for surgery may be missed until later on when I would then need salvage radiation, which I may have avoided if I just went with radiation in the first place... I don't want to have surgery to avoid radiation only to then have radiation anyway! Oh my, I'm really thinking this whole thing into a pretzel 🤣

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@survivor5280 Thank you for sharing your experience. I've learned alot since my initial post on this thread.... Because of my age of 57 I can see leaning towards removal because I am concerned that radiation could cause me problems down the line.... I really don't want to be in my late 60's or early 70's and need to deal with the radiation side effects plus whatever else life is throwing at me at that time. That said, radiation is very effective and from what I have learned, there is a little bit of "overspray" of radiation that hits the area around the prostate which would in theory zap any miniscule cancer cells that if I had opted for surgery may be missed until later on when I would then need salvage radiation, which I may have avoided if I just went with radiation in the first place... I don't want to have surgery to avoid radiation only to then have radiation anyway! Oh my, I'm really thinking this whole thing into a pretzel 🤣

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@thig350

Here’s what Stanford found when it comes to secondary cancers from radiation.

It may not be as bad as you think.

In a study of about 145,000 men with prostate cancer, the team found that the rate of developing a later cancer is 0.5% higher for those who received radiation treatment than for those who did not. Among men who received radiation, 3% developed another cancer, while among those who were treated without radiation, 2.5% developed another cancer.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/070/prostate-radiation-slightly-increases-the-risk-of-developing-ano.html

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