Thank you, Lisa. As I said before, trauma caused by narcissistic abuse is pervasive, permanent, and can lead to a deep lack of self-esteem. As a victim, particularly in the case of a daughter being abused by the mother, the lack of personal value can and does result in a variety of addictions or even suicide. Untreated, narcissism will lead to family serious dysfunction and violence amongst generations, contributing to a vicious cycle of abuse and abusers that only grows with reproduction. Narcissism is not very well understood yet, but we know that it is a personality disorder, and as such, it has no cure or way to improve it. Patients themselves do not comprehend of their condition, with a very few exceptions. For worse, psychiatric/psychological organizations last year admitted their having abandoned the study of this illness due to the unsympathetic character of the patient. Again, narcissists don't consult medical authorities, and the ones who are forced by their families to seek help are not ready to admit that there is something wrong with them. They feel differently and the enormous majority of narcissists are not self-aware. (more later)

There are at least a couple of ways to classify NPD patients, and one of the consists of 20 different kinds of them, producing an enormity of symptoms that produce zillions of family situations of abuse and dysfunction.

I would like to have a conversation with individuals who are at a stage of having already accepted the illness of their abusers, and forgiven them after knowing that we are talking of a disease. This doesn't mean to sweep the secrets under the rug. It means to have become NC no contact with the abuser, with a few exceptions after choosing to save themselves.

It would be emotionally unbearable for me to hear and reheat the histories of violence/abuse/revenge, etc. because I would be reliving my situation, and I am not there yet. Besides, I will always be a codependent, the person who enables the narcissist to misbehave. I want to help everybody, even to my own detriment. I still adore my 90 yr old mother who lives alone in a very far country. But listening to her voice, just imagining it, makes me sick.

I am bipolar, probably as a consequence of the hellish childhood I had from my mother's treatment and genetic predisposition from my dad's bipolar condition. Therefore, I welcome all those who can practice containment of impulses, by relating to us their situation without major details, and we can see what we can form, as far as an online group goes.

Thank you very much for the interest to help people who are increasingly being affected by NPD.