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@jeffmarc

Yes, it is real conundrum.
Some studies showed that IDC has the best result with initially having RP , but I am sure that it might change over time.
Same way that studies can not agree about cribriform lately.

I found the newest study at ASCO 2026 that concluded this :

"After adjustment for comorbidities, stage, grade, and treatment, IDC-P was not independently associated with higher mortality. Conclusions: Our population-level analysis confirmed that IDC-P is associated with a more aggressive clinical phenotype. Despite this, we found that oncologic outcomes did not differ once disease severity and treatment were accounted for. Guideline-concordant management remains appropriate, though the rising detection of IDC-P and its biologic underpinnings merit ongoing investigation."

All in all - it all can look like "dooms day" or just as "mehhh, it is just a stronger bugger than a regular bugger" 😋, depending of how one wants to see it. When one looks at OS , one really wonders if it really makes such a HUGE difference - one just needs to be very vigilant and treat accordingly. All else is in "god's hands". *sigh

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@surftohealth88 Thanks so much. I have been reading your posts for a while as I know we are navigating the same terrain. Even when you think you know the answers, it just helps to hear them from someone else. I find I lose my ability to think objectively. I do need to be more of a pest with my Dr.. My inclination with this thing is to "DO IT NOW" which I don't think is a bad strategy based on what we know. Dave

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The thing is, it’s not just IDC-P when you add cribriform. Newer studies say cribriform Is best treated with radiation, Older studies said RP. If you do RP because of IDC-P It’s not ideal for the cribriform problem.

I wish there was a simple answer to this, but I’ve not seen one yet.

It could just be treating people with RT after RP then putting them on the right drugs is gonna make them live as long as others