@kjaffee Hi again... I did an Internet search but now see you also have done one.... may I put photo of what I found, and of course, am not dianozing you... just trying to help... am wondering IF when you empty bladder you are sort of bending spine or tilting head.... sounds horrible to get these shocks... just to say now Urologist has let me go as cannot do any moe and painful p's night and day asi dont want to wake anyone else in household, i use urinal in bedroom and obviously standing up.. if you felt like experimenting to see if still get the shocks.. hope ok to suggest this, J