Just diagnosed: Surgery not an option, looking for hope

Posted by vcsongradi @vcsongradi, Feb 8, 2025

Went in for my first colonoscopy in December, F age 58. Had negative Cologuards for the last 4 or 5 years. My PCP gave me a FIT test in September which came back positive. Colonoscopy revealed a rectal mass (close to the sigmoid colon junction) she said was typical cancer presentation. Had some abdominal pain and went to ER. PET scan found mets to liver and both lungs, stage IV. Colorectal surgeon told me that surgery, "would not benefit me." Oncologist gave me 2 to 3 years prognosis, said treatment would be palliative and not curative, and surgery, "would never be an option." Started FOLFOX + Mvasi in January; just finished my 2nd round. CEA was initially 58, and is now 46, so that is good news I think. Don't really have a question, just looking for some hope from the stories of other people.

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Is your husband still doing chemo every 2 weeks? I am still a little unclear why surgery is not an option for me. Maybe you have some more information about it since your husband did not have surgery. I'm thinking it is likely the palliative vs. cure route which both of us are on. I keep reading about how surgery is the main treatment, with chemo before or after surgery. Any info you have about that would be appreciated so I can ease my mind as it keeps circulating back to, "Why is that not an option for me?" Thanks.

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@vcsongradi My husband's story is so very similar and the hospitalist told me when he was diagnosed just 3 weeks ago with stage4 rectal with mets in surrounding lymphnodes and lungs, since his lymph nodes have been so very impacted, just like his lungs and prostate are so very cancerous, the state of his tissues would not go through surgery well. Described as paper, his tissues would tear and not heal healthily. If he starts hearing about ostomies, he will check out, and that would be a risk of having surgery I think.

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I swore I would never wear a bag, but I did for four months after a temporary ileostomy following rectal surgery. It was not as bad as I had imagined. I also had six months of chemo that was also not that bad. The one thing I was dead set against was radiation which I was able to avoid by following the Prospect protocol. My top priority was preserving Quality of Life and I made that very clear to every oncologist I talked to. Cancer treatment is a very personal thing with a range of options. I encourage you to do lots of research, have thorough discussions with the medical professionals, and make informed decisions based on your shared priorities. Good luck.

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I swore I would never wear a bag, but I did for four months after a temporary ileostomy following rectal surgery. It was not as bad as I had imagined. I also had six months of chemo that was also not that bad. The one thing I was dead set against was radiation which I was able to avoid by following the Prospect protocol. My top priority was preserving Quality of Life and I made that very clear to every oncologist I talked to. Cancer treatment is a very personal thing with a range of options. I encourage you to do lots of research, have thorough discussions with the medical professionals, and make informed decisions based on your shared priorities. Good luck.

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@jaspithill1946 what's the Prospect protocol?

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Under the Prospect protocol, in certain circumstances surgery is performed following chemotherapy, without any radiation therapy. There is an abundance of information available on the internet.

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Under the Prospect protocol, in certain circumstances surgery is performed following chemotherapy, without any radiation therapy. There is an abundance of information available on the internet.

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@jaspithill1946 I had 5x immunotherapy to shrink a large tumor (no mets)followed by surgery…the treatments actually zapped the cancer—all 36 nodes clean, scans clean, Signatera 0…this can happen with chemo as well..it made for a safer surgery for sure..every case is different…many people just want the tumor out asap- i originally felt that way, but am grateful for what my docs did for me, the way they did it.

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@vcsongradi My husband's story is so very similar and the hospitalist told me when he was diagnosed just 3 weeks ago with stage4 rectal with mets in surrounding lymphnodes and lungs, since his lymph nodes have been so very impacted, just like his lungs and prostate are so very cancerous, the state of his tissues would not go through surgery well. Described as paper, his tissues would tear and not heal healthily. If he starts hearing about ostomies, he will check out, and that would be a risk of having surgery I think.

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@mjohnston, this must be so worrying for you. What treatment did the cancer team suggest? Did they also offer a referral to palliative care for symptom management? How are YOU doing?

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Hello - we’re Canadian so our colon surgeon was Dr. Stephen Smith in Canada but our liver surgeon is Dr. Motez Qadan from Mass General in Boston. Both are rock stars.

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@sbelyea must be nice to be rich. I could never afford such surgeries. Happy for you though!

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@mjohnston, this must be so worrying for you. What treatment did the cancer team suggest? Did they also offer a referral to palliative care for symptom management? How are YOU doing?

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@colleenyoung thank you for your message. Yes, we have palliative care. He is doing 12 rounds of Folfox chemo. Today is my first day back at work, my oldest son is caring for my husband while I am here. Today has been so hard, I'm not sure how long I can do this. Thank goodness I have friends bringing meals and my work is so very understanding. This is still my worst nightmare.

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May want to get another opinion.

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Husband diagnosis and prognosis nearly identical. Quality #1. After the first several cycles we settled in to living with cancer. Ups. Downs. Dosage reduction. No surgery. Nearly 4 years later playing golf and pickleball once a week. Snowbirds. We’ve relooked at what’s important and adjusted our lifestyle. Super grateful for caring oncology teams in two states. It’s so darn overwhelming at times. Just deal with today. Don’t look back. Don’t look too far forward. Best wishes!!

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