Chronic Back Pain for Years

Posted by jlfisher56 @jlfisher56, May 2, 2017

6 back surgeries (extensive cervical and lumbar fusions) with neurological complications. Left with chronic pain. Accident happened in Nursing career 1992 and worked with first fusions until 1999 (failed fusions). At my age, and as a former nurse educator, I never wanted to had to rely on medication/s for the severe pain. Having thoroughly exhausted exploring sites using non-pharmaceutical methods, using psychological methods, biofeedback, trying to accept my limitations, i.e., I still believe somewhere...out there...is hope. The strong medicine has caused gastroparesis, further complicating my health problems. They are too numerous to write and I will not focus on them. I am looking for "help" and guidance. If I can be of assistance to anyone throughout their trials, (perhaps similar to some of what I have gone through), I will.

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@wsh66

I at one time had access to as much opioids as I felt was neccesary. Very compassionate Doctors at a pain clinic. They were not enough to control my pain but were too much to allow me access to my ful l intelligence. 266 mgs. per day. The equivalent of about 1000 morphine mgs., the comparison pain docs and pharmacists use.

Finally, after 1 year with no infections I could have my pump put in. Chemo had destroyed one lung and I couldn't risk any surgery. Now my morphine mgs. Rate is about 100. 4mgs. plus .9mgs. gives me much better pain management than the large oral doses ever did and with none of the side effects. No constipation, clear head and my own sparkling personality back. I still live with pain and always will but at least it's manageable. I am as much of an advocate for opioid use as you will find but oral drugs are not the way to go. 1mg. of a drug delivered directly to your spinal fluid is as much as 300 times more effective as 1mg. taken by mouth. I'm getting the benefit of a much as 1500mgs. of Dilaudid per day, (Dilaudud is much more powerful than morphine and second only to Fentanyl). That dose orally would kill me. You cannot eat enough pain meds to control pain long term. I am living proof that it does not work.

The other great thing about the pump is that no one has any suspicions about your motives or your doctors practices. Oral meds work for a time but as your body adjusts you will need larger and larger amounts and eventually they won't work at all except to make you stupid. If pain is a feature of your life that you expect will not go away, look into getting an intrathecal pain pump. Find a good neurosurgeon as threading the catheter up your spinal chord is definitely a neat trick. Big pharma could care less about seniors and politicians are as useful as teats on a boar pig. Get a pump!

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@wsh66

Hi, Stephen. Morphine sulfate contin 15mg tid isn't enough to treat my pain, but it helps. The opiophobia is only making life difficult. I asked my neurologist about a pump, and he thinks that it could be just what I need. I'm waiting for the scheduler to set up a consult appointment to get an implant asap. It can't happen too soon.

Jim

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@wsh66

Gabapentin is a great drug, for controlling seizures. It is not a pain med. I took it and it was not effective as a pain med. It is very effective at putting money in the hands of big Pharma especially if they talk you into taking Lyrica instead of Gabapentin

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@grandmar @wsh66

I actually think it depends on what your pain stems from. If it's nerve pain then it will most likely help. All depends on what kind of nerve pain. My doctors have told me that everyone is wired differently (as far as nerve pain) and what works for one person may not work for another. It does work for my spinal cord, large Tarlov cysts, sciatica, and tethered cord. If we're talking just overall pain then no, I don't believe it is meant for that and I haven't heard of doctors prescribing it for anything but nerve pain and seizures. The generic form of Lyrica (pregabalin) just came out this year and is only like $10 now. Used to be ridiculously expensive but it made enough of a difference in my pain that it was worth the money.

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@wsh66

Gabapentin is a great drug, for controlling seizures. It is not a pain med. I took it and it was not effective as a pain med. It is very effective at putting money in the hands of big Pharma especially if they talk you into taking Lyrica instead of Gabapentin

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@wsh66

I was wondering if a pump is directed only to specific areas. I'm glad to hear that it relieves pain wherever it is. Maybe arthritis won't be so painful and I won't need NSAIDs. One question I have is if clonazepam will continue to be an issue. I'm getting flak for taking an opioid and a benzodiazepine together. I take Clonazepam for anxiety, and it's treating my restless leg issue, as well. Here in Oregon opioid prescriptions are monitored by a state program, and prescribing a benzodiazepine in combination with an opioid is a red flag, requiring frequent authorization approval.

I'm very hopeful that a pump will be approved and will give me some level of pain relief. Thank you for bringing it back to my attention.

Jim

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@bustrbrwn22

@jimhd Not many options for sciatica. I saw a neurosurgeon who said surgery would help but cognitive behavioral therapy would. I have done that. Over the past 5+ years I have tried every stretch, antidepressant, anti seizure, chiropractic, dry needling, physical therapy, acupuncture, etc. I am still in the early stages of myofascial therapy and I have hope. I saw another pain dr and because of black box warning can’t prescribe benzodiazepines with opioids. That is all that works for my conditions. My husband and I have talked at length and if it would give me some semblance of a life I wish I could make the decision of taking the meds. In the over 4 years I’ve taken a pain killer my dosage has never gone up. I am in bed again today crying because the sciatica hurts so bad. I don’t think a pain pump is an option for sciatica.

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@bustrbrwn22
My wife had spinal stenosis, which was squeezing her sciatic nerve. Surgery to clean out the spinal canal released the pressure on her sciatic nerve, and the pain stopped quite soon after surgery. I just had the same procedure, and recovery was amazingly quick. But whatever works for me might or might not work for you.

Jim

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@jimhd

@wsh66

I was wondering if a pump is directed only to specific areas. I'm glad to hear that it relieves pain wherever it is. Maybe arthritis won't be so painful and I won't need NSAIDs. One question I have is if clonazepam will continue to be an issue. I'm getting flak for taking an opioid and a benzodiazepine together. I take Clonazepam for anxiety, and it's treating my restless leg issue, as well. Here in Oregon opioid prescriptions are monitored by a state program, and prescribing a benzodiazepine in combination with an opioid is a red flag, requiring frequent authorization approval.

I'm very hopeful that a pump will be approved and will give me some level of pain relief. Thank you for bringing it back to my attention.

Jim

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Jim, every state and clinic, practice and doctor, will deal c it differently. I take a very low dose of clonazepam some days for anxiety and if I need it (for neck), I sometimes take 1/2 tab of the lowest dose Vicodin. I also have a prescription for sleep meds if needed. (Honestly, I am not a drug user, and my internist prescribes this and tells me she is not worried because I use them carefully and sparingly.) Since I got the SCS put in this past January, my use has been extremely minimal (even my daily aspirin and acetaminophen!) which I am delighted with! Been taking half doses of the clonazepam and trying to quit using it (from a problem that began years ago with a specific situation).

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@wisco50

Jim, every state and clinic, practice and doctor, will deal c it differently. I take a very low dose of clonazepam some days for anxiety and if I need it (for neck), I sometimes take 1/2 tab of the lowest dose Vicodin. I also have a prescription for sleep meds if needed. (Honestly, I am not a drug user, and my internist prescribes this and tells me she is not worried because I use them carefully and sparingly.) Since I got the SCS put in this past January, my use has been extremely minimal (even my daily aspirin and acetaminophen!) which I am delighted with! Been taking half doses of the clonazepam and trying to quit using it (from a problem that began years ago with a specific situation).

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@wisco50

I've taken the 2nd mg of Klonopin only a few times in the last 15 years. During the last several months, I probably would have benefited from taking the 2nd one, because my anxiety level has been elevated, I suppose due in part to covid19, and also because of the delay in getting my morphine. It's become a monthly worry, a real stressor. I'm concerned that if I get in the habit of taking 2mg, I could have trouble tapering back down.

I thank God for the good doctors he's put in my life, and for medicine that keeps life bearable.

Jim

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@wsh66

Gabapentin is a great drug, for controlling seizures. It is not a pain med. I took it and it was not effective as a pain med. It is very effective at putting money in the hands of big Pharma especially if they talk you into taking Lyrica instead of Gabapentin

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Hello!
I did not find Gabapentin helpful, but my brother uses it with great success.
Many drugs are used for a variety of conditions that it was not originally intended, so don't automatically rule it out.
I was actually given Gabapentin many years ago for menopause symptoms and it did help me with that.
Good luck!
ronnie

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@jimhd

@bustrbrwn22
My wife had spinal stenosis, which was squeezing her sciatic nerve. Surgery to clean out the spinal canal released the pressure on her sciatic nerve, and the pain stopped quite soon after surgery. I just had the same procedure, and recovery was amazingly quick. But whatever works for me might or might not work for you.

Jim

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Where did you have your surgery
Lynn

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@wsh66

I don't know if you would consider having a pain pump put in major surgery or not. It's generally a procedure that is done in the hospital and you go home the next day or as soon as you can pay after being sedated. In your sixties and seventies and eighties any surgery is Major I suppose. The pump is inserted in your abdomen and a catheter goes up your spine. I don't recall having pain at the incision site after surgery but then the pain, filled with pain in one hundred percent of your body.

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There is a big problem with my guts....I've had 3 hernia surgeries. NO MORE SURGERIES unless it's life threatening

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@blmd5861

Where did you have your surgery
Lynn

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I had mine at MHealth in Mpls., MN, With Dr. Park. 612-624-6666.

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