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Decipher risk: prostatectomy RP vs radiation.

Prostate Cancer | Last Active: Mar 14 11:09am | Replies (75)

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Decipher is not the only biomarker (genomic) test available to provide pre-treatment information. There are many different biomarker tests, depending on what you’re looking for:

> FoundationOne®Liquid CDx; Guardant360; Caris Assure.
> Decipher; Prolaris; OncotypeDx.

Liquid biomarker tests:
> (blood): 4KScore; EpiSwitch PSE; Phi Prostate Health Index;
> (urine): SelectMDx; PCa3 (PC Antigen 3); MyProstateScore (MPS), ExoDx.

(I’ve probably missed others.)

So, it depends on what biomarker information you’re looking for. (I had the OncotypeDx and Prolaris tests; never had a Decipher test.)
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At 65y (about 5 years ago), I had radiation first for a 3+4=7 (upgraded to a 4+3=7 immediately prior to treatment, for which I simply added 6 months of ADT) for a number of reasons, one being that should I have a recurrence, I would have more salvage options available.

“Getting the cancer out” provides no statistically significant benefit for success than doing radiation.

My thoughts went the other direction —> I couldn’t imagine starting with surgery as first course for treatment for me at age 65y in otherwise good health, initially with 3+4=7 contained Pc. (Why have surgery first and then (in case they didn’t get it all or if there was recurrence) to have do radiation also? Why not do radiation first, and then if there is a recurrence have the options of cryo, brachy, or SBRT (because they’re all very targetable), or possibly even re-radiation in some cases.)

The idea that “if you choose radiation first, you cannot have surgery later” has some historical truth to it, but is old-school thinking and doesn’t consider modern treatment techniques.

Lifelong hormone therapy isn’t really a treatment option (though, some choose that form of palliative care for some reason).

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@brianjarvis I am with Brian on this situation. Many people believe that having an RP means that you are, “Getting the cancer out”. But very often some microscopic cancer escape has already occurred before the RP is even performed. Enter your data in the MSK nomogram here https://www.mskcc.org/nomograms/prostate/pre_op if you would like to see your odds of recurrence after an RP. Recurrence after an RP happens at least 30% of the time and up to 40, 50, and 60% depending on other risk factors. An RP is far from a guarantee that you are getting the cancer out. See more info here https://www.inspire.com/m/williamwattsmith/about/

@brianjarvis
Very interesting on the genetic testing. Thanks for all of that amazing detail and the links.

Questions:
•Is there is value in more testing if I already know Decipher shows high risk cancer cells?
• For those additional tests, how do you go about requesting them?

The reason I'm thinking surgery is that both my radiologist and surgeon did not recommend cryo as being very effective. The radiologist said that doing a second radiation after radiation means definite radiation damage to the surrounding bladder/bowel areas. He also told me that follow-up hormone therapy doesn't kill the cancer, it just slows it down.

Thanks so much for your wise words!