Red meat & Prostrate Cancer

My husband loved his steak and other red meats but since his metastatic prostate cancer diagnosis, we have removed red meat from our cooking. On occasion, if we are out for dinner with others, he will have steak. He misses it but I have done a great deal of reading and animal products seem to be linked to cancer. Our nutritionist has also suggested no dairy, so we have limited that. My husband loved cheddar cheese. We do have yogurt a couple of times a week (homemade plain yogurt to cut the commercial yogurt). We have found some very tasty plant based butter, and cashew cheeses. I am doing everything I can to provide healthy fuel for my husband... I want him with me for as long as possible

@cole5055 I agree with you, Cole. My husband had a biopsy (not targeted, unfortunately) and it seemed that things went badly after that. We were assured by his urologist that we had caught it in time and there was no rush. Wrong. Within 6 months, PSA had gone up considerably and it had metastasized.

@gkgdawg Studies are all over the map on this topic (because it’s so hard to control for so many factors). Still, if you were keeping score, the preponderance of the evidence would lead you to limit your intake of red meats.

Most accounts of this type are quite anecdotal, and will vary greatly from "expert" to "expert". My belief is that, like all things, moderation. If you have a steak every day, cancer or not, it probably isn't ideal. I think the main go-to's are always the best bet: lose weight, exercise, eat sensibly, stop smoking, drink less.

@heavyphil I watched a prostate cancer podcast where an expert on prostate diet said to eliminate dairy, especially milk. She recommended drinking Ripple, a plant based milk. I’ve been drinking it for about two years. It very tasty but a bit pricy. As others have said, everybody is different and some say moderation. I guess it’s the old, do what makes you feel good. Best wishes

Thank you 🙏 it’s very much appreciated 😊

@drcopp My friend went on the Ornish diet after a (completely unexpected) coronary and stents, but it seemed a little old fashioned and behind the times and oversimplifies. I'll say once again, eliminating red meat is not nearly as important as balancing your omega 6-3-9, a red meat carnivore diet will unbalance your omegas. And really there are several other EFA issues. This may be a fair criticism of keto diets, too. Balance and moderation has a lot going for it.

Even in diabetic diets what is most important is moderation, you can eat small amounts of almost anything just so the totals stay below a certain level.

And anti-inflammatory foods and supplements, turmeric/curcumin and colored fruits and vegetables - and some mushrooms for the ergothioneine - also teas with hibiscus or berries, reinforce these moderate diets.

@kjacko Yeah, I think the concern with dairy is that the cows may be treated with rBST, which in turn boosts IGF-1 which can cause certain cancers to grow - NOT CAUSE, but grow. So drink milk with no rBST and you should be OK.
As far as milk substitutes, even the unsweetened ones are made with seed oils, which have been said to promote cancer and heart disease because of their reduced Omega 3 levels…I’m just stating what I’ve read and I surely don’t know for a fact if anything I wrote in this entire post is true or not; everything we post here is mostly based on what we’ve been told, heard or read.
The only thing I DO know for sure is that milk comes from cows, goats and sheep and has been consumed in various forms for thousands of years - thousands, OK?
If it’s so freakin bad and causes prostate cancer, PCa should have been mentioned in some form - even a non scientific one - millennia ago, no?
If WE have messed up our planet so much that the grass the ruminants eat is poisoned and the other man made things we feed them is detrimental to us (rBST), then extend that logic to every darn thing you put in your mouth, because believe me, BIG AGRO didn’t stop at the cows…
Sorry to rant, been reading way too much about Monsanto/Bayer et al….Best,
Phil

@carbcounter

Yes, absolutely 👍🏻 I really appreciate your input! I have been looking into white button mushrooms. They have capsules @ powder, but I believe they also have multodextrose after reading the ingredients. So buying fresh ones is the way to go and short and long term fasting would also help……..

Thank you 😊
Ray

@gkgdawg

Yes, I understand sometimes sticking needles into prostate cancer is not good! common sense tells us this, it’s just frustrating we still use this barbaric 60 year old technology despite all our advancements in medical technology?

When I had the random biopsy my PSA jumped from 8 to 15.1 in a few months. This is why if you’re going to biopsy anything we need a specific target! Not stabbing the prostate with a blind fold on it makes absolutely no sense! Hoping we hit something and possibly spreading the disease?

The Doctors are so used to doing things as usual. I think if they were the ones on the other end of the needle they would have an entirely different perspective…………. I hope things turn for the better for your Husband Godspeed 🙏

Ray 😊🇺🇸