Anyone considered bilateral orchiectomy: Why or why not?

Posted by rxharleydude @rxharleydude, Sep 21, 2022

Been treated for metastatic prostate cancer for the past 11 years. 82 yo & had a total prostatectomy. Have been successfully treated with Lupron for the past 10 yrs and Zytiga added about a year ago. Considering a bilateral orchiectomy to be able to hopefully get off the Lupron/Ellegard (very painful option compared to Lupron)
Has anyone considered this option & if not, why?

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@rxharleydude
Yes eligard is like a mild bee bite and there is orgovix. I was told that removal is not the end all.

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@duberdicus

It's more painful than a bee bite but now I switched over to Lupron depot but my new care team may do things differently. I'm really wanting to go with estradiol patched to replace the adt.

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@duberdicus

It's more painful than a bee bite but now I switched over to Lupron depot but my new care team may do things differently. I'm really wanting to go with estradiol patched to replace the adt.

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@shane18
Estradiol works quite well, Just as effective as ADT With many fewer side effects.

There are videos over at ancan.org by Richard Wassersug Who is been using it for almost 10 years. He wrote a book on ADT. He uses the gel right now, instead of the patch.

If you look up the patch study, you will see that it discusses using estradiol.

Beware that estradiol can cause breast enlargement for about 50% of the people that use it. You can get radiation to the chest before you start it to prevent it from happening.

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My first cancer (2001) took my left testicle. Now it's aggressive early prostate cancer. Given the side effects of suggested medication, I am considering having the other testicle removed. I read that the survival rate is about the same, but I think my quality of life might be better this way.
Anyone with comments about the down side of orchiectomy? Some places I read of simple removal by a cut in the scrotum, which seems a lot simpler than the radical orchiectomy I had in 2001. That entailed cutting through the abdomen, and took some time to heal.

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@dale1618 Dale, I had a bilateral orchiectomy four years ago. It was indeed a simple removal with an incision through the scrotum, and at the same time they did a TURP procedure, which completely cleared up the urinary urgency and leakage problems I had been having. The orchiectomy was almost immediately effective in dropping my PSA to undetectable, and I had some of the usual side effects of ADT, but my quality of life convinced me I had made the right choice. I'm 78 now, and after I became castrate-resistant last year, I had five SBRT targeted radiation sessions, and am now halfway through 6 rounds of Pluvicto, which is again dropping my PSA way back down. I'm one of the fortunate ones for whom the next treatment development seems to come along at just the right time.

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@duberdicus

It's more painful than a bee bite but now I switched over to Lupron depot but my new care team may do things differently. I'm really wanting to go with estradiol patched to replace the adt.

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@shane18 I experienced anemia while taking Lupron. Might be something to watch for. After 3 months switched to Orgovyx and anemia corrected itself.

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Try Orgovix it’s just a pill, no pain , little nausea and you can take it with you.

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Try Orgovyx, studies have shown there is no large difference between surgical and medical castration except surgery had a few more deleterious side effects.

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My first cancer (2001) took my left testicle. Now it's aggressive early prostate cancer. Given the side effects of suggested medication, I am considering having the other testicle removed. I read that the survival rate is about the same, but I think my quality of life might be better this way.
Anyone with comments about the down side of orchiectomy? Some places I read of simple removal by a cut in the scrotum, which seems a lot simpler than the radical orchiectomy I had in 2001. That entailed cutting through the abdomen, and took some time to heal.

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@dale1618
Dale, it's been a few months since your post. I'm wondering what you decided to do, and hoping that you are doing well. I've had no regrets about choosing orchiectomy, as it has enabled the quality of life that I was hoping to continue, and I've still been fortunate that the SBRT and Pluvicto have kept the PC at bay for now. I had my fourth round of Pluvicto, which has brought my bone mets and PSA down to the point that we're banking the last two treatments until symptoms return or PSA starts to rise again. Keepinig my fingers crossed that you'll also have good results.

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Hello, I had my prostate removed over 2 years ago and my PSA remained low for 6 months but since then it has been steadily increasing up to 0.1 as the latest figure. My urologist suggested ADT to keep it uncer control. I am now 75 and seriously considering it rather than go through radiation treatments. I no longer want to produce children! I am thinking of a bilateral orchiectomy for my ADT. I know it is permanent, but if things improve I will ask to go on HRT and possibly get implants at that time. I see this as a good solution as it will have none of the side effects of the ADT drugs and the necessessity to remain on them for the future. Does this sounc crazy to some?

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Hello, I had my prostate removed over 2 years ago and my PSA remained low for 6 months but since then it has been steadily increasing up to 0.1 as the latest figure. My urologist suggested ADT to keep it uncer control. I am now 75 and seriously considering it rather than go through radiation treatments. I no longer want to produce children! I am thinking of a bilateral orchiectomy for my ADT. I know it is permanent, but if things improve I will ask to go on HRT and possibly get implants at that time. I see this as a good solution as it will have none of the side effects of the ADT drugs and the necessessity to remain on them for the future. Does this sounc crazy to some?

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@john1951
ADT is not a lifetime sentence. When you stop it, your testosterone comes back. Have the surgery and that won’t ever happen.

The radiation treatments are really not that bad for salvage radiation. I had it many years ago and had no side effects at all. I can give you a significant number of years before you need to do anything. I am 78 and I’ve been on ADT for eight years because I have a genetic problem. While I got a lot of hot flashes in the beginning They’re no longer much of a problem. There are many side effects from ADT, which will be identical if you have the surgery.

I live a normal life besides the fact that I go to the gym three days a week because the loss of testosterone really does deteriorate your muscle muscles.

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Hello, I had my prostate removed over 2 years ago and my PSA remained low for 6 months but since then it has been steadily increasing up to 0.1 as the latest figure. My urologist suggested ADT to keep it uncer control. I am now 75 and seriously considering it rather than go through radiation treatments. I no longer want to produce children! I am thinking of a bilateral orchiectomy for my ADT. I know it is permanent, but if things improve I will ask to go on HRT and possibly get implants at that time. I see this as a good solution as it will have none of the side effects of the ADT drugs and the necessessity to remain on them for the future. Does this sounc crazy to some?

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@john1951 I suggest you think very carefully about bilateral orchiectomy. I had my orchies removed 4 months ago, and it was the worst mistake I have ever made. Testosterone and estrogen levels in my blood both went to zero, which introduced a profound and continuous fatigue. For 2 months, I could do little more than lie in bed and stare at a wall. I now wear estrodiol patches which, over several weeks, restored some capability, but I am nowhere near as capable as I was before the surgery. I did research the procedure (on this forum and others) before proceeding, and ALL postings said no biggie, go right ahead. I was not so lucky.

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