Red light therapy for long covid?

Posted by jsg12206 @jsg12206, Mar 8, 2024

Has anyone tried red light therapy to treat long covid brain fog and lethargy? There appeaars to be a small but growing amount of peer-reviewed research showing promising benefits.

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I don’t know about Red Light Therapy, but I’ve been having Green Violet Laser Light Therapy and Red Violet Laser Light Therapy through my Chiropractor’s office here in Geneva, Il. I know that Red Light Therapy is different than the Red Violet Laser Light Therapy. I’ve noticed a slight increase in my ability to smell certain things ( I haven’t been able to taste or smell for 3 years today, the 14th of December). Covid or the vaccine did this to me! I also have a Covid tongue with lesions on it and they are going away! It costs me $20.00 for a 20 minute session. I’ve been doing this for about a month now and will continue to do so until I feel like it’s no longer benefiting me. I also feel a little more calm from having this Violet Light Therapy. Be sure it’s Green or Red Violet Light Therapy, as these light therapies are not the same.

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@kiddo14
I have been doing a red light therapy since early 2024 with benefit.
Early in my course with long covid, I had heard some YouTube posts about this helping mitochondria and found out that my hair salon had a “Fitness Cocoon” which looks a bit like a tanning booth but delivers red light, infrared light, dry sauna, and lymphatic vibration massage in a 20 minute session.
My first session (using a medium heat setting and intense vibration) gave me amazing results. The following day, my energy levels moved up enough so that I could do some walking. At that point in time, I could barely walk 20 feet without exhaustion and need to lie down. I had to diffuse muscle pain, headaches, profound fatigue, and felt very blunted mentally. I had over sensitivity to screens and could not read, had tachycardia with wide swings in heart rate with chest pain, etc. all these and other symptoms familiar to many.
After the first red light session, some of the swelling in my legs and belly reduced, my energy felt at least a little more organized. I noticed that I could use heart rate to pace my physical activities and started to do so. That first session was the most dramatic help. After that each session seemed to bring some benefit to my sense of well being. I did three sessions weekly for the next year or so and still do 2 to 3 sessions per week. Over this extended time when I have traveled or missed sessions for more than a week, I have noted a decline in how I have felt. So I get back to it 3 times a week and notice feeling better right away again.
These sessions have been consistently helpful but not curative.
I would highly recommend looking for “Fitness Pod Cocoon”. Many gyms and salons have them. My own salon gave me a monthly subscription so that it has been very affordable.
It is also worth noting that I have increased my exposure to sunlight, as this includes red and infrared light, especially early in the morning. I have been able to work up my physical activity so that I walk outside regularly on a daily basis. I try to prioritize sitting in the sun regularly as an additional way to get healthy spectrum of light exposure.
This is the machine my salon has:
https://www.amazon.com/Cocoon-Fitness-Workout-Free-Management-Wellness/dp/B099XDMXMH
Or here:
https://wellness-usa.com/pages/cocoon-wellness-pod

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@tkinder i’m glad that worked for you. I would love to try that I have a lot of the symptoms I live in Southern California and I don’t see any place that has that I will have to dig deeper. Have you tried the hyperbaric chamber? That’s what my functional medicine doctor wants me to try. I have so much head pressure and sensitivity to TV and phones.

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@kiddo14
I have been doing a red light therapy since early 2024 with benefit.
Early in my course with long covid, I had heard some YouTube posts about this helping mitochondria and found out that my hair salon had a “Fitness Cocoon” which looks a bit like a tanning booth but delivers red light, infrared light, dry sauna, and lymphatic vibration massage in a 20 minute session.
My first session (using a medium heat setting and intense vibration) gave me amazing results. The following day, my energy levels moved up enough so that I could do some walking. At that point in time, I could barely walk 20 feet without exhaustion and need to lie down. I had to diffuse muscle pain, headaches, profound fatigue, and felt very blunted mentally. I had over sensitivity to screens and could not read, had tachycardia with wide swings in heart rate with chest pain, etc. all these and other symptoms familiar to many.
After the first red light session, some of the swelling in my legs and belly reduced, my energy felt at least a little more organized. I noticed that I could use heart rate to pace my physical activities and started to do so. That first session was the most dramatic help. After that each session seemed to bring some benefit to my sense of well being. I did three sessions weekly for the next year or so and still do 2 to 3 sessions per week. Over this extended time when I have traveled or missed sessions for more than a week, I have noted a decline in how I have felt. So I get back to it 3 times a week and notice feeling better right away again.
These sessions have been consistently helpful but not curative.
I would highly recommend looking for “Fitness Pod Cocoon”. Many gyms and salons have them. My own salon gave me a monthly subscription so that it has been very affordable.
It is also worth noting that I have increased my exposure to sunlight, as this includes red and infrared light, especially early in the morning. I have been able to work up my physical activity so that I walk outside regularly on a daily basis. I try to prioritize sitting in the sun regularly as an additional way to get healthy spectrum of light exposure.
This is the machine my salon has:
https://www.amazon.com/Cocoon-Fitness-Workout-Free-Management-Wellness/dp/B099XDMXMH
Or here:
https://wellness-usa.com/pages/cocoon-wellness-pod

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@tkinder This laser uses both green and violet lights simultaneously. There is also a link where you can enter your zip code and find a provider near you that uses this technology in practice: https://www.erchonia.com/laser-applications-2/

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For LC sufferers who would like to know how laser therapy in the 'red' range works, this was very helpful: https://www.covidcaregroup.org/blog/red-light-therapy-amp-long-covid

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For LC sufferers who would like to know how laser therapy in the 'red' range works, this was very helpful: https://www.covidcaregroup.org/blog/red-light-therapy-amp-long-covid

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@pattig09 Thank you Patti, but lets not confuse RLT, aka PBM, with anything labeled “laser” therapy. RLT/PBM is not laser-based. LEDs within certain wavelengths are not lasers. I’m unaware of any laser-based LC therapies that have evidence based research published in peer-reviewed journals supporting their effectiveness, as does select RLT/PBR.

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@pattig09 Thank you Patti, but lets not confuse RLT, aka PBM, with anything labeled “laser” therapy. RLT/PBM is not laser-based. LEDs within certain wavelengths are not lasers. I’m unaware of any laser-based LC therapies that have evidence based research published in peer-reviewed journals supporting their effectiveness, as does select RLT/PBR.

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@jsg12206 The green and violet Erchonia technology doesn't refer to RLT or PBM at their web site so they are using the laser technology. This is how they describe their product sold to doctors:
What is Laser? Stimulated Emission of Radiation, produces energy in the optical part of the electromagnetic spectrum. This energy is intensified through stimulated emission, not to be confused with harmful radiation. Laser light color is identified by its wavelength, typically measured in nanometers, with one billion nanometers in a meter. Laser light covers nonionizing wavelengths from ultraviolet (100 – 400nm) through visible (400 – 700nm) to infrared (700nm – 1mm) regions.

This web site provides greater detail on the history of both lasers and LEDs for PBM. https://huelightusa.com/photobiomodulation-vs-red-light-therapy/

"Throughout its history, more than 60 terms have been used to describe PBM light therapy. For example, PBM was previously called low-level laser therapy (LLLT). This was because early devices used lasers to create red light. Today, lasers aren’t as widely used. Instead, LED lights are more common.

In addition to LLLT, photobiomodulation (PBM) might also be called:

Cold laser therapy
Phototherapy
Photomedicine
Laser biostimulation
Soft laser therapy
Monochromatic infrared light energy (MIRE) therapy

As a general rule, photobiomodulation (PBM) is the preferred medical term within the industry."

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@jsg12206 The green and violet Erchonia technology doesn't refer to RLT or PBM at their web site so they are using the laser technology. This is how they describe their product sold to doctors:
What is Laser? Stimulated Emission of Radiation, produces energy in the optical part of the electromagnetic spectrum. This energy is intensified through stimulated emission, not to be confused with harmful radiation. Laser light color is identified by its wavelength, typically measured in nanometers, with one billion nanometers in a meter. Laser light covers nonionizing wavelengths from ultraviolet (100 – 400nm) through visible (400 – 700nm) to infrared (700nm – 1mm) regions.

This web site provides greater detail on the history of both lasers and LEDs for PBM. https://huelightusa.com/photobiomodulation-vs-red-light-therapy/

"Throughout its history, more than 60 terms have been used to describe PBM light therapy. For example, PBM was previously called low-level laser therapy (LLLT). This was because early devices used lasers to create red light. Today, lasers aren’t as widely used. Instead, LED lights are more common.

In addition to LLLT, photobiomodulation (PBM) might also be called:

Cold laser therapy
Phototherapy
Photomedicine
Laser biostimulation
Soft laser therapy
Monochromatic infrared light energy (MIRE) therapy

As a general rule, photobiomodulation (PBM) is the preferred medical term within the industry."

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@pattig09 Thank you for clarifying, but you proved my point. There are only FDA "Registered" devices for PBM, and not a single one is FDA "Approved". At best, you will find a few devices regularly mentioned in peer-reviewed articles after small, but validated, studies. The companies ALL make it sound on their websites as if they have THE solution for darn near every problem. For example, for a mere $49,995, the company you linked to will sell you a completely unproven by validated study "PBM Full Body Panel w/ Stand, Professional-Grade Performance, Full-Body Coverage"...whatever that means. The marketing of all these products is magnificent; the performance varies based on innumerable factors. Bottom line: if it works for you, great. If you have an extra $50K to spend on a device that can possibly bring about results for 1/50th the price (https://platinumtherapylights.com/ ... and they do have independent, validated studies supporting their claims), go for it. Call it what you will, but copying and pasting website content to prove something is spurious research at best. Caveat emptor.

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The Emerald Green Laser technology is an FDA approved non-invasive fat reduction treatment that uses low-level 532nm green laser energy. It works by emitting cold laser light that breaks down fat cells, causing them to release their contents, which are then naturally eliminated by the body’s lymphatic system. Covid clinic trials are finding human cell 'storage containers' for covid spike cell remnants, with 66 different remnants being found so far, some being found in fat cells. I found this worthy of a discussion in the Mayo Clinic Long Covid Discussion Group. Doctors who use green laser to target 'fat cells' understand spurious research importance and they do invest in $50K green lasers; they understand fat cells and some are treating Long Covid with the same target, fat cells.

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The Emerald Green Laser technology is an FDA approved non-invasive fat reduction treatment that uses low-level 532nm green laser energy. It works by emitting cold laser light that breaks down fat cells, causing them to release their contents, which are then naturally eliminated by the body’s lymphatic system. Covid clinic trials are finding human cell 'storage containers' for covid spike cell remnants, with 66 different remnants being found so far, some being found in fat cells. I found this worthy of a discussion in the Mayo Clinic Long Covid Discussion Group. Doctors who use green laser to target 'fat cells' understand spurious research importance and they do invest in $50K green lasers; they understand fat cells and some are treating Long Covid with the same target, fat cells.

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@pattig09 As a peer-reviewed, published professor, I feel obligated to once again note that your comments are nothing more than either puffery from a company's website, or your own interpretation of the same, and that your comments are misleading. Emerald Green Laser techonlogy is NOT FDA APPROVED! You clearly do not understand the difference between "FDA Market-Cleared" which is what that company's own web page states their laser-based fat burning products are, and "FDA Approved", which is a far more rigorous standard to meet. To put it in legal terms (yes, I'm also a lawyer), the distinction between approved and cleared is significant: while FDA-approved means that the FDA has decided that the benefits of the product outweigh the known risks and manufacturers have to submit a pre-market approval application–as well as clinical testing results–in order to get approved, FDA-cleared means that the manufacturer is able to demonstrate that the product is “substantially equivalent” to another similar legally market device that has already been approved (i.e. a “predicate”). So I repeat, the product you are presenting is NOT FDA APPROVED. Moreover, what peer-reviewed journal articles can you cite to showing that there is ANY long-covid benefit from the fat-reduction technology claims made by Emerald Technology and which are the basis of their entire website? I found nothing on their website making any claims of long-covid benefits from their product, nor any studies showing anything of the sort. If they made such false claims, their FDA application for any product would likely be rejected. People come to this forum seeking real answers to debilitating conditions. The last thing they need is misinformation and false claims that something may or will lead to long-covid symptom relief.

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