Understanding surgeon speak and the different approaches to fusion

Posted by annie1 @annie1, Oct 14, 2025

I have consulted many surgeons because I have serious concerns about having fusion since I have osteoporosis. I found out there are at least four types of fusion and I would like to understand them better and what would be the best for me. Can someone elucidate on TLIF, ALIF and XLIF ?

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Just wondering if anyone had this done and the results they had.

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Just wondering if anyone had this done and the results they had.

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@carolinec
Who were you asking and about what ?

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Getting nerve blocks re L4,L5,S1

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Getting nerve blocks re L4,L5,S1

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@carolinec
Were your symptoms in your legs? That's where mine are mostly and no one's ever offered me nerve blocks. One pain management doctor at the hospital said it wouldn't help me. But I want to look into it anyway. Did it help with leg pain or did you not have leg pain? Thanks

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I know some people really need a fusion but in trying to make a decision about my own situation I found this interesting. I use AI to gather information. This is just an FYI obviously not relevant to anyone's specific situation.
• Utilization gap: Historic and current data show the U.S. performs far more back surgeries/fusions than Europe; drivers include payment, practice norms, medico-legal climate, and technology diffusion; watchdog analyses (e.g., Lown Institute) continue to flag overuse in Medicare.

WHEN FUSION IS INDICATED — EUROPEAN GUIDELINES

✅ Yes, consider fusion if:
- Unstable spondylolisthesis (symptomatic)
- Isthmic spondylolisthesis
- Loss of sagittal balance (deformity)
- Bilateral facetectomy >50%
- Adult scoliosis with stenosis
- Recurrent stenosis with instability

❌ No, fusion not needed if:
- Stable spine
- Only leg pain (no instability)
- Back pain without mechanical pattern
- Normal alignment
- Facet arthropathy alone

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@kdks99
This is an old thread, but I hope you get this message. I only have leg pain and I don't know if I have instability based on what that means. Also, how would I know where to go in Europe to get surgery if all the surgeons here will do fusion even if I don't really need it ?

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@jenatsky I have osteoporosis and scoliosis and had back fusion 8 weeks ago. I went to Northwestern and their neurosurgeon who specializes in deformed spines did a great job. I am 72 and doing well.
I trusted him completely. My pain is so much less than before surgery.

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@htolan

Please send me the name of the surgeon privately. Thanks

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Yes, I had surgery at Northwestern with Dr. Tyler Koski. My pain prior to surgery was all kinks, throbbing, stabbing, aching…It was in my back, hips IT Bands and quads. With a walker I had trouble walking. It had been getting worse in the last few years.

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@htolan
Did you have osteoporosis also ? My throbbing is in my calf muscles mainly but now for the past five months I have had increasing pain on the side of my right thigh, maybe that's IT band ?

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@carolinec
Were your symptoms in your legs? That's where mine are mostly and no one's ever offered me nerve blocks. One pain management doctor at the hospital said it wouldn't help me. But I want to look into it anyway. Did it help with leg pain or did you not have leg pain? Thanks

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@annie1
My pain is in my back and then goes down the back of my right leg into my calf.
I have started to use red light infrared red light therapy 3 times a day and am finding that helps.

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@htolan
Did you have osteoporosis also ? My throbbing is in my calf muscles mainly but now for the past five months I have had increasing pain on the side of my right thigh, maybe that's IT band ?

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@annie1 my IT Bands are tight. I use a roller that I got on Amazon and roll my IT Bands. It really helps.
I do have osteoporosis, but some areas of my body are better than others. My spine was pretty good.

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@kdks99
This is an old thread, but I hope you get this message. I only have leg pain and I don't know if I have instability based on what that means. Also, how would I know where to go in Europe to get surgery if all the surgeons here will do fusion even if I don't really need it ?

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@annie1 If you are comfortable using AI you can get a lot of information about international surgery. Surgeon's here are more comfortable with fusion and probably do too many. because of familiarity and reimbursement. If you live near a major teaching hospital you can probably find docs who make more individualized surgical plans.

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