Prednisone love/hate support group

Posted by Mike @dadcue, Feb 3 8:18am

For anyone interested in a good source of information, the Prednisone Pharmacist is prolific with making videos on a wide variety of topics about prednisone. I know she also has a vitamin formulation that she promotes. I don't think the vitamin formulation she promotes should distract from the information she shares.

The topic in the following video is one of my interests. I have never tried her vitamins. I just appreciate the information about why it is such a struggle to taper off prednisone.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Polymyalgia Rheumatica (PMR) Support Group.

She is fabulous. A wealth of information. She also has many that are PMR specific.

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@dadcue and @johnbishop

Hi Mike and John. I am in a point of trepidation and would appreciate your reaction. You may remember that when i had my PMR-esque initial onset of RA a dozen yrs ago, i really had global joint involvement - hips, shoulders, ankles, hands, feet. my awesome doc in NYC decided to save heavy doses of prednisone to try Humira first
- and it was miraculous. Since then ive had prednisone for flares and joke that i don't know what the big deal with narcotics is - give me Prednisone any day. But it has always been 10-15 mg for a week and then tapering off easily.

Skip to a week ago. I began to have knee pain - one sided. Could hardly walk so got neoprene sleeve and bigger wraps. And then… here comes hips and ankles and feet and hands. And now it seems global. Even big muscle groups.

Today Doc called in 30 mg of Prednisone x4 days then 20x4 days, then 10, then off

I don't think i have ever been at a 30mg dose and it scares me a bit. Will I sleep at all?? Do i take it all at once in morning? Are there
Other risks? I mean I want to deal with the pain but this feels like a bazooka.

Mike, I know you used to take 60 for your eyes as I recall, so thought you could tell me to get over myself 🙂

Thanks
Pam

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@pb50
Dr Kate Gilbert’s book on PMR/GCA is fantastic. Buy and read it. Too much info to get into here re: prednisone but she covers it extensively. Extremely helpful. A PMR survivor, she is clear and free now.
Best.

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Thank you!!!

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@pb50

Has anyone ever told you that being diagnosed with RA doesn't exclude the possibility of also having PMR?

Wasn't your son diagnosed with reactive arthritis which creates additional possibilities? He got his genes from somewhere. Have you been tested for HLA-B27?
https://www.jrheum.org/content/early/2025/05/23/jrheum.2025-0167
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Being positive for HLA-B27 didn't make it any easier to be treated but it was nice to know about. My rheumatologist actually told me it would be impossible to adequately treat everything.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK551523/
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Indeed my son developed severe reactive arthritis following knee surgery and had to go to a unit at Medical College of Charleston for surgical complications to get diagnosed.. and I have not been tested for that. Thanks for the tip!

Yea - i held a private parade yesterday because my knee was all better after two days of 30mg . today it's not. 🙂 the diffuse inflammation is way better, but the tendon and patella are still painful it seems. And yes, two things can be going on at once 🙂

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Well guess what?? This disease just
Keeps on giving. The knee pain got a bit better after prednisone and then got much worse suddenly. Turns out I have a torn meniscus and “significant” Chondrocalcinosis. Getting an MRI Sunday morning. If I understand the implications from my rheumy, these crystals can actually damage the meniscus but won’t be sure until MRI results are in whether that is what happened.

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Well guess what?? This disease just
Keeps on giving. The knee pain got a bit better after prednisone and then got much worse suddenly. Turns out I have a torn meniscus and “significant” Chondrocalcinosis. Getting an MRI Sunday morning. If I understand the implications from my rheumy, these crystals can actually damage the meniscus but won’t be sure until MRI results are in whether that is what happened.

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How do they treat that?

I don't have my original meniscus anymore. Both of my knees have been replaced. My knee replacements hurt now. They say my replaced knee joints hurt because I have heterotophic ossification (HO) in the soft tissues surrounding my fake knees. HO is a condition where there is bone formation in soft tissues where bone isn't supposed to exist. How weird is that?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519029/
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I have gout so I have uric acid crystals in the joint of my big toe. They assured me it is bone formation and not uric acid crystals around my knees. Anything in places where it shouldn't be always seems to hurt when it gets inflamed.

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@pb50

How do they treat that?

I don't have my original meniscus anymore. Both of my knees have been replaced. My knee replacements hurt now. They say my replaced knee joints hurt because I have heterotophic ossification (HO) in the soft tissues surrounding my fake knees. HO is a condition where there is bone formation in soft tissues where bone isn't supposed to exist. How weird is that?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK519029/
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I have gout so I have uric acid crystals in the joint of my big toe. They assured me it is bone formation and not uric acid crystals around my knees. Anything in places where it shouldn't be always seems to hurt when it gets inflamed.

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@dadcue Rheumy says prednisone improved the pain from chondrocalcinosis. Pain i have now is from torn meniscus.

Assumption is surgery - based on my interpretation of the MRI report, the meniscus is torn, smushed out like a disc gets pushed out, and is frayed on the edges. Going from standing to sitting is excruciating. So at the very least he will trim it.
That is assuming he will do it with a nerve block. I am working hard to preserve as much gray matter as I can. The anesthesia i had when I had lung surgery, which was protracted while they waited on pathologist, had an unquestionable impact on certain types of memory. So i am pretty rigid now about general anesthesia. Fortunately I am not fearful of procedures and have high pain threshold.
My question is whether i am in a rinse and repeat situation. If I am getting crystal formation and the edges of those tears soft tissue like meniscus, What will that mean?
Sadly I can’t ask him questions until January 5th.

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@dadcue Rheumy says prednisone improved the pain from chondrocalcinosis. Pain i have now is from torn meniscus.

Assumption is surgery - based on my interpretation of the MRI report, the meniscus is torn, smushed out like a disc gets pushed out, and is frayed on the edges. Going from standing to sitting is excruciating. So at the very least he will trim it.
That is assuming he will do it with a nerve block. I am working hard to preserve as much gray matter as I can. The anesthesia i had when I had lung surgery, which was protracted while they waited on pathologist, had an unquestionable impact on certain types of memory. So i am pretty rigid now about general anesthesia. Fortunately I am not fearful of procedures and have high pain threshold.
My question is whether i am in a rinse and repeat situation. If I am getting crystal formation and the edges of those tears soft tissue like meniscus, What will that mean?
Sadly I can’t ask him questions until January 5th.

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They might remove your meniscus and put in an artificial one. They simply removed my meniscus when I had a knee injury a long time ago. They said I wouldn't need my meniscus. At the time, that was what they did because they didn't have any replacement parts.

Within 10 years of my meniscectomy, they said I needed a whole new knee. I was only 30 years old at the time so I had to wait until I was 60 to get new knees.

A spinal block is the way to go for knee surgery --- I was talking to the anesthesiologist the whole time while the surgeon replaced my knees.

I kept asking the anesthesiologist why he was infusing so much hydrocortisone. He said it helps with recovery from knee replacement surgery but in my case it was so I wouldn't have an adrenal crisis.

Post-operatively, I remember a really nice endocrinologist who checked on me every hour for about 8 hours. She was nicer than the surgeon but she wasn't part of the surgical team. She was the medical management team but she disappeared when I didn't have an adrenal crisis.

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@pb50

They might remove your meniscus and put in an artificial one. They simply removed my meniscus when I had a knee injury a long time ago. They said I wouldn't need my meniscus. At the time, that was what they did because they didn't have any replacement parts.

Within 10 years of my meniscectomy, they said I needed a whole new knee. I was only 30 years old at the time so I had to wait until I was 60 to get new knees.

A spinal block is the way to go for knee surgery --- I was talking to the anesthesiologist the whole time while the surgeon replaced my knees.

I kept asking the anesthesiologist why he was infusing so much hydrocortisone. He said it helps with recovery from knee replacement surgery but in my case it was so I wouldn't have an adrenal crisis.

Post-operatively, I remember a really nice endocrinologist who checked on me every hour for about 8 hours. She was nicer than the surgeon but she wasn't part of the surgical team. She was the medical management team but she disappeared when I didn't have an adrenal crisis.

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@dadcue very encouraging!!

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