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@tatiana987 You hit the nail perfectly on the head with the issues that you addressed.

You’re describing a situation many patients face — multiple specialists who don’t communicate, conflicting treatment plans, and a healthcare system that makes coordination nearly impossible. Those concerns are real, and they matter when deciding whether Leqvio is safe for someone with MS or neurologic conditions. As for reminding, I've been reminding myself for 20+ years as to the fact that our health care system is in critical condition.

Here are few suggestions (maybe):

1. The statement “Talk to all your specialists”, is hardly ever realistic — and you’re right to push back.

You’re absolutely correct: in many healthcare systems, true interdisciplinary coordination simply doesn’t happen. That means patients are left carrying the entire burden of connecting the dots between cardiology, neurology, and primary care.

Your experience — long waits, clinicians relying on computer prompts, language barriers — is exactly why people end up asking questions in forums and online tools. It’s not neglect on your part; it’s a systemic failure.

2. Your MS and neurological history do justify caution with any new medication.

Since the pivotal Leqvio trials excluded many autoimmune or neuroimmune patients, the long-term safety data in people with MS is limited. That doesn’t mean Leqvio is unsafe — but it does mean uncertainty exists.

So your hesitation and desire for more clarity are completely reasonable.

3. The fact that one neurologist told you to “hold off on Nurtec” is a red flag worth exploring.

This tells me:

At least one of your neurologists is thinking holistically, not just following guidelines.

They suspect a medication interaction, side-effect overlap, or diagnostic confusion.

They are worried enough to override another specialist — which is uncommon unless there’s a credible concern.

That reinforces that you need a unified plan, even if the system won’t give you one automatically.( It's like "duh", how do you do that).

4. What you can do when your doctors won’t coordinate? (Duh again).

There "might be" some practical steps that actually work:

a. Bring a one-page medication and condition summary
List all meds, doses, conditions, recent side effects, and what each specialist has said.
Doctors engage better with a single page than a long explanation.

b. Ask one neurologist one key question:

> “Do you see any reason Leqvio could worsen autoimmune activity or neurologic stability in my case?”

Specialists are much better at answering a single concrete question than at giving broad judgments.

c. Ask the cardiologist one matching question:

> “I have MS. Are you aware of any immunologic concerns with Leqvio for someone like me?”

You don’t need them to talk to each other — you just need their answers in your hands.

d. Keep the helpful neurologist as your point person.
The young ophthalmologist-neurologist who took the time to think critically and protect you? That’s the doctor who will give the most honest risk-benefit thinking. MS specialists can sometimes be overly narrow; she seems willing to look at your whole picture.

5. The emotional and systemic burden you describe is valid and important.

Your frustration is legitimate:

You’re trying to navigate multiple conditions.

You’re being asked to make decisions without "clear" guidance.

You’re "forced" to rely on online information because the system doesn’t allow timely collaboration.

This isn’t “patients doing it wrong.”
This is patients trying to survive a dysfunctional system.

6. The core takeaway about Leqvio in your situation:

There is long-term data for the general population — 5–6 years so far — but there is not long-term data in people with autoimmune diseases like MS. That doesn't automatically make it dangerous, but it means:

Your decision should be cautious.

It should be individualized.

One neurologist’s hesitation (like the Nurtec warning) should be considered a meaningful signal.

This whole situation is really hard to put into perspective. It's just like we have been put on a remote island with great hopes that someone will come along and save us. But the odds are not in our favor.

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@tommy901 Again thank you for taking the time to listen and respond so carefully. I have already copied and pasted the suggested question to the two neurologists.

I really appreciated your speaking of doctors as if they were children for whom we have to make things simpler. Not to insult doctors, as kids absorb information lots better than most adults do. A simple question is best for most people, including docs. My son, who writes medical AI and software, advised me (when I had trouble getting help with heart rate increase caused by monitor on the chest) anyway, the notion that heart rate might go up based on blue-tooth-like signal from the device nearly directly over the heart and on the skin, that notion was too much for most doctors, said my brilliant son. He told me to point out the skin rash and the obvious heat of the device, but not suggest that my changed heart rhythm was related to the device. I was not to mention that idea if I wanted a helpful response. Plain, uncomplicated, black and white, concrete questions are best, says the brilliant kid. And asking only one question, a simple one, is best, no doubt in my mind.

@tommy901 (Looks like I somehow placed this reply in the wrong position in the thread. Sorry.)

1. More reaction from me, this time on your #4 of six practical steps, the suggestion to bring a single page with essential info on meds in use and conditions, isn’t that part of what the docs are looking at on their screens as the patient sits with them in the exam room? Renown uses Epic including some AI note making, I am pretty sure. It is a monster of inaccuracy, mangled language, and mistakes. We humans are at a stage of development imo where we are so enamoured of the potential of AI that we have lost the ability to observe. We are so insanely hopeful about AI’s potential that we are trying to turn Reno, Nevada into Finland (All we need to be Finland is to be a nordic climate and to be surrounded by water and ice. Reno is high desert and we have new unmanaged overpopulation and severe water shortage.) So the doctor seeing the patient is inundated with information and lacks time to absorb it imo. But the real problem imo is quality of information. Even if all the info were correct, is it up to date and currently helpful? Am I capable of creating an accurate and useful summary of my conditions?

2. Do you know anything about Nurtec? I have it a bit off label. I never had migraine headaches only eye symptoms labeled ocular migraines, and perhaps misnamed because I have no eye pain. IMO Nurtec is really odd as a med. Sometimes it seems like a miracle instant cure. Effects are dramatic and long lasting, but unpredictable. Sometimes amazingly good. Sometimes unclear whether effect is good or just powerful.

3. I am mulling over your idea of Robinson Crusoe-like feelings in the ER. I think Robinson C. on his desert island was having a lot more fun than I was in the ER. He got to explore and build. But still his seeing the ship far out to sea that he imagined might rescue him so he signals in every way he can think of, I think with that image you might be onto a nice metaphor.