Diet - Eggs or no eggs?

Posted by zooblio6 @zooblio6, Jan 28 5:34am

I am just beginning ADT ( Gleason 7 4+3 T2a ) and see the oncologist tomorrow here in France to set out the RT plan. No dietary advice so far from eg urologist and guessing that tomorrow will only be a practical regime for the duration of the RT. Respected sources constantly recommend a plant-based diet ( already on this ) with little or no dairy products. However, the court seems to be out in the matter of eggs. This concerns me, since B12 is clearly important on all fronts and calcium is clearly an issue with risk of bone thinning whilst on ADT.

Has anyone here received advice for or against please?

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UCSF has a pamphlet on dietary guidelines for patients with prostate cancer. What they say about eggs:

"While more research is necessary, egg consumption during adulthood (pre-diagnosis) may increase risk of developing aggressive prostate cancer.55 Current research related to post-diagnosis egg intake and prostate cancer progression is limited. Research suggests that the choline in eggs may be the component that increases cancer risk; choline isconcentrated in the egg yolk."

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UCSF has a pamphlet on dietary guidelines for patients with prostate cancer. What they say about eggs:

"While more research is necessary, egg consumption during adulthood (pre-diagnosis) may increase risk of developing aggressive prostate cancer.55 Current research related to post-diagnosis egg intake and prostate cancer progression is limited. Research suggests that the choline in eggs may be the component that increases cancer risk; choline isconcentrated in the egg yolk."

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@climateguy That would be based on the 2012 Richman study, which got a lot of attention and is cited all over journalism and the Internet because it had a simple, media-friendly message (eggs==prostate cancer). However, other studies have failed to confirm or replicate its findings relating eggs and prostate cancer, and it looks more and more like a statistical outlier (the problem is that you can't unring the bell after a study like this goes out, and it becomes "common knowledge" that everyone cites or cites people citing, etc). Example:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233736516_No_Association_between_Egg_Intake_and_Prostate_Cancer_Risk_A_Meta-analysis
One follow-up study found a possible association with 5+ eggs/week and prostate cancer mortality, but it had low confidence and couldn't rule out a statistical artifact.

So really, except for the echo chamber around that one unreproducible.2012 study from Richman et al., there's little/no indication that eggs are a concern for prostate cancer, but if you want to be extra safe, eat fewer than 5 eggs/week, just in case the association in that meta-analysis published by Cambridge wasn't just a statistical artifact.

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@web265 wrote ❝You know what is really unhealthy? STRESS.......❞

Very true. Ironically, as I wrote earlier, people micromanaging their diets and chasing every new (or not so new) study that shows some tiny, likely accidental correlation between some food and cancer are trying to *reduce* their stress by exercising control over what's happening, but since that control is mostly illusory, it rarely accomplishes that.

The interesting thing is that the majority of those studies seem to show a small statistical correlation between certain foods and getting cancer; there are some, but far fewer, that show a correlation between certain foods and progression once you already have cancer.

Even if it turns out to be true true that eating food X raises your risk of getting cancer Y by n%, that doesn't mean that stopping the food after you have cancer will slow or reverse it: that's an entirely separate line of research, because cancer can keep going on its own. You see that distinction ignored quite a bit.

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@northoftheborder Agree 100%. There are so many variables, not even including the publishing mania that goes on, I take them all as unreliable. We are in the middle of a great experiment of chemicals on humans, teasing out milk, eggs, whatever seems impossible.
I eat a decent diet, very low on read meat, more vegetarians over time. But it is my body giving me cues.

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UCSF has a pamphlet on dietary guidelines for patients with prostate cancer. What they say about eggs:

"While more research is necessary, egg consumption during adulthood (pre-diagnosis) may increase risk of developing aggressive prostate cancer.55 Current research related to post-diagnosis egg intake and prostate cancer progression is limited. Research suggests that the choline in eggs may be the component that increases cancer risk; choline isconcentrated in the egg yolk."

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@climateguy “”egg consumption during adulthood may increase risk of developing aggressive prostate cancer”. Even IF true, it’s a little late to be doling out that advice, don’t you think?
I mean, tell me that when I’m 10 yrs old - not 60 or 70 and starting my cancer treatment!😂

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Even if it's true, it's say it MAY etc. etc.. ”egg consumption during adulthood MAY increase risk of developing aggressive prostate cancer”

Standing on one foot for too long MAY increase risk of developing aggressive prostate cancer.

and absolutely, a wee bit late no? 🙂

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Even if it's true, it's say it MAY etc. etc.. ”egg consumption during adulthood MAY increase risk of developing aggressive prostate cancer”

Standing on one foot for too long MAY increase risk of developing aggressive prostate cancer.

and absolutely, a wee bit late no? 🙂

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@web265 Just so. "May" is a weasel word journalists, bloggers etc. use when a study claims a statistical correlation but there's no evidence yet for a causal link.

Statistics people joke that ice cream consumption *may* cause shark attacks, because both increase together every summer and decrease again in the winter. 🙂

p.s. Some of these correlations might turn out to be meaningful some day, but even then, not necessarily in the way people expect.

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I had my last quarterly injection of Eiligard 2 weeks ago and will have been having this treatment for 2 years.
I live in Germany and also did not receive any advice for radiotherapy or ADT. So, I did some research and came up with my own plan.
Calcium 600mg/day
Vit D 2000 I. E
Magnesium 500mg
Protein 75 grams
Vit B complex
Zinc 5mg
Plus running, squash and gym.

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I had my last quarterly injection of Eiligard 2 weeks ago and will have been having this treatment for 2 years.
I live in Germany and also did not receive any advice for radiotherapy or ADT. So, I did some research and came up with my own plan.
Calcium 600mg/day
Vit D 2000 I. E
Magnesium 500mg
Protein 75 grams
Vit B complex
Zinc 5mg
Plus running, squash and gym.

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@johnwf That sounds like a reasonable nutritional plan, but maybe bump the calcium up to 1,000 mg/day, because hormone therapy puts you at significantly-elevated risk for bone-density loss (I can't remember if my medical team advised that amount, or just approved it when I asked).

There are other threads in the forum discussing the best kinds of calcium supplements, whether you should divide them into two daily doses, etc. I think your 2,000 IU/day of vitamin D will help with calcium absorption.

Also, in addition to your cardio activities (which look great), build in some resistance training like light weights, exercise bands, or similar. That also helps reduce bone- and muscle-density loss while you're on hormone therapy.

Viel Glück, und (kein) Hals- und Beinbruch! 😉

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