Diet - Eggs or no eggs?

@heavyphil
Now that we are mentioning broccoli - adding mustard seed powder to any Brassica plant will enhance absorption of anti-carcinogenic compounds by multiples. It is best to eat Brassica plants raw, if you cook them than add mustard seeds on finished and served broccoli : ))).

Yes- not everybody can have positive effect, no matter what somebody does, but many do and that is the whole point. As long as suggestion is healthy and beneficial for general health , why not try it : ) ?

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Aawweeee - Phil noticed Surf being missing < 3 !? Surf was down for many reasons, UTI one of things ... I never have them so it is a mystery - probably all of this stress for almost a year got better of me :/. Also had to pack for mountain adventure - don't even ask - my family's wish lol :P, AND I injured left ankle so I am wobbling around (ankle pain), half band forward (lower belly pain) trying to pack and prepare everything AND trying to make myself presentable and "look cute" on nature walks LOL ! Crazy person ... honestly ...

PS: Hope your wife's recovery is going well . I am wishing her very fast healing and rapid resolution of the pain and stiffness which is inevitable with any joint replacement surgery : (((. I know that you are providing superb support and help and I am sure that by spring time she will be like new : ))) !

@jeffmarc Yes, roasted broccoli is delicious. I always hated steamed broccoli (which smells like a public washroom to my nose; probably some genetic thing), but roasting it in the oven or grilling over a BBQ is magical.

Ditto for Brussels sprouts.

Boiled/steamed = 🤢

Roasted = 😋

Following this for kicks. I hope this isn't insulting to anyone, I assure you that's not the intent.

I've given up for the most part on these types of food studies. It seems it all depends on who is doing them, what hypothesis they are trying to prove or disprove, who is paying for them, etc., etc., etc.. Had a doc tell my I was pre-hypertensive while walking into his office on a painful broken toe. My sister, an NP tells me he's correct, I say let's look at the study, paid for by the company that makes the BP meds. Go figure. Heal up and test again, 120/70.

"Moderation in all things, Mary Ellen… especially in moderation" (identify the reference? anyone)

I do what seems to work for me. I'm old enough and my body is doing what it should, meaning generally healthy, you've probably had enough blood tests to see when you start to get "out of whack" and and adjust. I've had docs find a few things over the years that I simply adjusted with diet and excercise, the numbers get better and there I was. That's pretty much the experiment I'll listen to. I eat fairly healthy (chicken/fish and veggies most of the time) but I'm all about the occaisional steak or french fry or two once in a great while.

Obviously if you have other health issues there's a lot more to the equation.

Eggs? don't get me started. They were a staple for YEARS, then suddenly they were the devil, then they went to super food status, now they are carcinogenic. I grew up eating eggs (cooked in bacon grease) almost every day. Now, 1-3 a week, maybe. I generally make omelets out of one egg and the rest egg whites. Is this why I got PCa? Maybe...who knows.

My mantra has become "Get you blood tests, listen to your body adjust, rinse and repeat."

You know what is really unhealthy? STRESS.......

@jeffmarc

Yes, the longer you cook tomatoes the more lycopene is available for absorption : ))). Broccoli and all other plants from Brassica genus are better eaten raw. If you expose them to any heat important enzymes are destroyed - add at the and as a topping crushed mustard seeds. Here is one of the studies
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29806738/ .

I recently watched interview with Mayo oncologist mentioning this fact also. So, just sprinkle some mustard seeds on top of your meal - they have very mild taste. : ))) Bon appetit !!!

@surftohealth88
If I had to eat broccoli without cooking it, I would not eat it. My wife gets Trader Joe’s, organic broccoli florets, Just the tops and they’re not bad, baked. I’m not real happy about eating some vegetables. Last night I had brussels sprouts, A vegetable, whose taste I really don’t like. Found a recipe with a bunch of seasoning and mushrooms that makes it almost taste good. Another vegetable, I would not even consider eating without cooking, but my wife made it taste good enough to eat.

@drcopp unfortunately, most of the things in our environment can be carcinogenic in the right setting: amount of exposure, initiator of carcinogenesis and genetic predisposition.
As far as your ‘medical expert’ is concerned, his studies are somewhat narrow if he is selecting very small populations (Seventh Day Adventists) which are usually closed off to outsiders for his conclusions. There are regions in France where the entire diet is based on poultry - especially the fat which is used in cooking. Rates for all forms of cancer are LOWER here than in most parts of the country…but wait, doesn’t poultry contain those deadly heterocyclic amines?? Shouldn’t the men be riddled with metastatic PCa? But Again, we have a very limited, close knit genetic enclave on which natural selection may have bestowed a benefit.
As an even smaller study let’s consider a population of just one…my mother.
She started smoking at age EIGHT (no lie!) and smoked 3 packs of cigarettes every day until age 88; I took them away from her since her gradual dementia made it possible for her to accidentally light her house on fire.
For the last 20 years of her life she stopped cooking (she lived alone after all) and loved to eat a plate of cured sausage and various cheeses on salted crackers for dinner - all the while puffing away and at times sipping a highball. I wasn’t happy about any of it and she acknowledged my displeasure by blowing smoke rings in my direction😖.
She finally passed at age 98, from Covid of all things…
Now please have your medical expert - who has his own biases by the way - explain why this woman wasn’t dead by age 50; she should have been and, in fact, she buried SIX of her closest friends - all smokers dead from lung cancer.
So Mom was definitely unique - a definite outlier, a total exception. But imagine if she had married a man with similar genetics - a man whose body could take whatever abuse was thrown at it; while not definite, there’s a good chance that their offspring would have similar advantages.
Now imagine hundreds of years and many generations later with no intrusion from the outside, an entire group of people - many of them intermarried - routinely living to 100 years or more…0h, and they happen to eat a mostly vegetarian diet.
Some would say - ‘See?? They live a long time because of what they eat!’ But they would be dead wrong; they live a long time because over time their genetics protected them from the ravages of disease.
Again, not disagreeing that a ‘healthy’ diet isn’t something to be pursued, but as @northoftheborder says, a little bacon now and then won’t kill you, carcinogenic or not.
BTW, Mom obviously did NOT marry a man of similar genetics, as my presence on this forum would clearly indicate😆
Phil

Nice post Phil. Your mother sounds wonderful. I am not medically trained, but the older I get the more I believe, it's worth trying to improve our health outcomes, but not getting too obsessed because genetics are very powerful. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours

Following this for kicks. I hope this isn't insulting to anyone, I assure you that's not the intent.

I've given up for the most part on these types of food studies. It seems it all depends on who is doing them, what hypothesis they are trying to prove or disprove, who is paying for them, etc., etc., etc.. Had a doc tell my I was pre-hypertensive while walking into his office on a painful broken toe. My sister, an NP tells me he's correct, I say let's look at the study, paid for by the company that makes the BP meds. Go figure. Heal up and test again, 120/70.

"Moderation in all things, Mary Ellen… especially in moderation" (identify the reference? anyone)

I do what seems to work for me. I'm old enough and my body is doing what it should, meaning generally healthy, you've probably had enough blood tests to see when you start to get "out of whack" and and adjust. I've had docs find a few things over the years that I simply adjusted with diet and excercise, the numbers get better and there I was. That's pretty much the experiment I'll listen to. I eat fairly healthy (chicken/fish and veggies most of the time) but I'm all about the occaisional steak or french fry or two once in a great while.

Obviously if you have other health issues there's a lot more to the equation.

Eggs? don't get me started. They were a staple for YEARS, then suddenly they were the devil, then they went to super food status, now they are carcinogenic. I grew up eating eggs (cooked in bacon grease) almost every day. Now, 1-3 a week, maybe. I generally make omelets out of one egg and the rest egg whites. Is this why I got PCa? Maybe...who knows.

My mantra has become "Get you blood tests, listen to your body adjust, rinse and repeat."

You know what is really unhealthy? STRESS.......