Diet - Eggs or no eggs?

Posted by zooblio6 @zooblio6, Jan 28 5:34am

I am just beginning ADT ( Gleason 7 4+3 T2a ) and see the oncologist tomorrow here in France to set out the RT plan. No dietary advice so far from eg urologist and guessing that tomorrow will only be a practical regime for the duration of the RT. Respected sources constantly recommend a plant-based diet ( already on this ) with little or no dairy products. However, the court seems to be out in the matter of eggs. This concerns me, since B12 is clearly important on all fronts and calcium is clearly an issue with risk of bone thinning whilst on ADT.

Has anyone here received advice for or against please?

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Personally I've been eating over a dozen eggs a week. They are not organic or cage free. PSA after RALP is .03

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Well Jeff, DNA cannot be overlooked. My mother suffered from dementia in the last 12 yrs of her life of 98 years.
She had an arteriogram with contrast to see of her cognitive issues were due to low blood flow to the brain caused by atherosclerotic plaque, cholesterol, etc.
The vascular specialist told me she had the cerebral arteries of a 16 yr old - clear and smooth. He said it must be from her diet.
I never told him that my mother’s preferred dinner was Triscuits topped with dried Italian sausage and provolone cheese followed by about 10 cigarettes before bedtime.
Obviously something happened in transcription and I did not get that genetic sequence which protects against cancer and atherosclerosis.
But I did get the genetic traits for her big nose, poor vision and varicose veins…thanks MOM!!

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Something doesn’t compute.

“due to low blood flow to the brain caused by atherosclerotic plaque, cholesterol, etc.
The vascular specialist told me she had the cerebral arteries of a 16 yr old - clear and smooth. He said it must be from her diet.”

Now, how can one brain guy say she has brain arteries of a 16-year-old and the other say she’s got Arteriolosclerosis, plaque and cholesterol in her brain. Plaque in the arteries is what causes them to get clogged up, They can’t be clear and smooth and have plaque!

My mother gave me BRCA2, thanks is right!

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This conversation will soon be moot because eggs will cost $500 apiece 😃 (sorry, couldn't resist)

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@scottbeammeup . Is that US Dollars or the 51 St State , Canadian peso ? ( 45% exchange rate Eh )

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Something doesn’t compute.

“due to low blood flow to the brain caused by atherosclerotic plaque, cholesterol, etc.
The vascular specialist told me she had the cerebral arteries of a 16 yr old - clear and smooth. He said it must be from her diet.”

Now, how can one brain guy say she has brain arteries of a 16-year-old and the other say she’s got Arteriolosclerosis, plaque and cholesterol in her brain. Plaque in the arteries is what causes them to get clogged up, They can’t be clear and smooth and have plaque!

My mother gave me BRCA2, thanks is right!

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Not sure if you read that correctly (?). The vascular doc said her arteries were clear - NOT clogged with plaque, etc. He intimated that they must be clear because of her “good diet”. They were trying to determine if the dementia was caused by low blood flow - and it wasn’t.
And I will take the big nose, etc. over BRCA2 any day!!

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Not sure if you read that correctly (?). The vascular doc said her arteries were clear - NOT clogged with plaque, etc. He intimated that they must be clear because of her “good diet”. They were trying to determine if the dementia was caused by low blood flow - and it wasn’t.
And I will take the big nose, etc. over BRCA2 any day!!

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I did not read it correctly. Thank you for the correction.

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Hello-
I just saw this thread and am new to the group. See this article on eggs and prostate cancer. https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/prostate-cancer/ or Video on Breast and Prostate Cancer https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-impacts-of-plant-based-diets-on-breast-cancer-and-prostate-cancer/
They are from NutritionFacts.org, a non-profit headed by an evidence based research MD.
My urologist was happy to see that I have been on a vegan diet for about 7 years.
The American Dietetics Assoc. published a landamark position paper about American diets over 10 years ago, stating that the best diet for all 5 big killers of Americans is the Vegan/Veggie diet. It is also preventable.

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ADA Dietetics Position on Vegetarian-Diet (1) (ADA-Dietetics-Position-on-Vegetarian-Diet-1.pdf)

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Hello-
I just saw this thread and am new to the group. See this article on eggs and prostate cancer. https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/prostate-cancer/ or Video on Breast and Prostate Cancer https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-impacts-of-plant-based-diets-on-breast-cancer-and-prostate-cancer/
They are from NutritionFacts.org, a non-profit headed by an evidence based research MD.
My urologist was happy to see that I have been on a vegan diet for about 7 years.
The American Dietetics Assoc. published a landamark position paper about American diets over 10 years ago, stating that the best diet for all 5 big killers of Americans is the Vegan/Veggie diet. It is also preventable.

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@drcopp
The interesting thing about the egg issue Is that it’s the yolk that’s the problem. The egg whites apparently are not a problem to eat.

So just make sure you don’t eat one egg a day. Maybe two a week should be OK.

I’ve seen a few other articles about eggs and prostate cancer that confirm what you’re reading.

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I keep away from both the whites and the egg yolk. With dairy and any meat products, they contain special composite molecules within all animal and fish sources. It's the IGFC-1 molecule that is a cancer progenitor, or it stimulates cancer growth.

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IIRC, the often-cited 2012 Richman paper suggesting a link between *very* high egg consumption and the most-lethal type of prostate cancer hasn't held up well to subsequent review: researchers who went over the same evidence afterwards found little or no credible correlation.

I'd agree with @jeffmarc — unless new evidence emerges, keep eating eggs if you like them, but just to be safe, eat everything in moderation (e.g. don't order the 3-egg special every morning for breakfast and then an omlette for lunch and quiche for dinner 😉). Eggs have a lot of beneficial nutrients like iron and vitamins A, B5, B12, D, and E, and most of that is in the yokes, not the whites.

Sadly, there's no known magic trick you can do with your diet to make prostate cancer go away, though the urge to grasp at one is very understandable.

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It is important to carefully note the wording of the Academy’s position statement that a vegetarian diet “may” provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. An absolute relationship linking prostate cancer and diet remains elusive and to date unproven. A healthy diet is always the wise choice, but specific food avoidances or recommendations are of unproven benefit.

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