What dosage are you going to be taking? I can't find anything to use as a guide. I bought 5mg pills, but decided to split them into quarters. It's all a guessing game right now.
What dosage are you going to be taking? I can't find anything to use as a guide. I bought 5mg pills, but decided to split them into quarters. It's all a guessing game right now.
So far I have not found any lithium orotate in pill form, they are capsoles and difficult to split. The FDA office of dietary supplement suggest a daily intake of 0.3 to 3mg, thus I am taking a 5mg capsole every third days. Please let me know where you buy the pill form. Thanks
So far I have not found any lithium orotate in pill form, they are capsoles and difficult to split. The FDA office of dietary supplement suggest a daily intake of 0.3 to 3mg, thus I am taking a 5mg capsole every third days. Please let me know where you buy the pill form. Thanks
I just joinned, and I am delighted to participate in this forum. I have been reading AD literature for the last couple of years due to family history of ADs. I am not a physician or medical professional but was trained as a chemical engineer. I am going to start taking a very low dose of lithium orotate once I receive the shipment. Earlier today, I went through the recent Nature paper by Aron Liviu etal from Harvard and decided to explore this subject by some self-experimentation in a scientific way.
As we all know, safety is a paramont concern when taking any supplements so I searched low dose lithium long term toxicity in the medical literature but found little. There are well established renal toxicity when prescribed at very large dosage of 300 to 400mg of lithium carbonate which has very low bioavailibility. On the other hand, lithium orotate has very high bioavailibility due to the orotate ions help lithium ions get into cells, especially in the brain. Thus, how much lithium ions in the blood and how long they stay becomes important.
I searched the lithium orotate half life in blood (hours of 50% of lithium ion still remaining in blood after introduction) and found 24 to 36 hours, however, long term use increases half life to 48 to 64 hours. Thus, I think it will be a good idea to take lithium orotate every other day or every third days in stead of every day.
I sincerely welcome any discussions on this subject.
Regarding lithium orotate pharmacokinetics, dosing, safety, adverse effects, and beneficial effects - these are unknowns, see following.
Lithium orotate you may buy over the counter at health food store or from an internet source are not FDA approved. The only way the FDA will look at a product is if you have an adverse effect and report it or ask your doctor or pharmacist to report the product. Adverse effects reports will typically include the manufacturer, lot, and expiration. The FDA would determine what chemicals are in the product only after adverse effects are reported, not before. Pharmokinetic data on dissolution, absorption, half life in blood and brain, and similar parameters are reported to FDA for approved drugs, but your nutritional supplement is not an approved drug so I don't believe you will be able to obtain pharmaceutical data from the company of manufacture - although you could certainly ask - otherwise you can guess and hope what is on the label is accurate in addition.
Country of origin for lithium orotate may not be on your bottle. Many pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements originate from India and China - costs may increase with tariffs.
As hdeff mentioned above, "it's a guessing game" right now. Guessing until such time as a known FDA approved and researched product is available.
I do encourage anyone experiencing adverse effects to take the effort to report to FDA, ask a pharmacist for help if you have trouble completing the online FDA adverse effects report. Sad to say some nutritional supplements aren't what they are supposed to be; to repeat the FDA doesn't sample nutritional supplements unless a problem is reported. It's also true lithium orotate may have unexpected effects - keep in mind use of lithium in the past 100 years has been primarily higher doses of lithium carbonate for serious conditions such as bipolar disorder. Use of lithium orotate in people without bipolar disorder is a guess, arguably an educated guess, and investigational.
Best wishes, hopefully no one trying a nutritional supplement has adverse effects, but reports to FDA if they do.
Regarding lithium orotate pharmacokinetics, dosing, safety, adverse effects, and beneficial effects - these are unknowns, see following.
Lithium orotate you may buy over the counter at health food store or from an internet source are not FDA approved. The only way the FDA will look at a product is if you have an adverse effect and report it or ask your doctor or pharmacist to report the product. Adverse effects reports will typically include the manufacturer, lot, and expiration. The FDA would determine what chemicals are in the product only after adverse effects are reported, not before. Pharmokinetic data on dissolution, absorption, half life in blood and brain, and similar parameters are reported to FDA for approved drugs, but your nutritional supplement is not an approved drug so I don't believe you will be able to obtain pharmaceutical data from the company of manufacture - although you could certainly ask - otherwise you can guess and hope what is on the label is accurate in addition.
Country of origin for lithium orotate may not be on your bottle. Many pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements originate from India and China - costs may increase with tariffs.
As hdeff mentioned above, "it's a guessing game" right now. Guessing until such time as a known FDA approved and researched product is available.
I do encourage anyone experiencing adverse effects to take the effort to report to FDA, ask a pharmacist for help if you have trouble completing the online FDA adverse effects report. Sad to say some nutritional supplements aren't what they are supposed to be; to repeat the FDA doesn't sample nutritional supplements unless a problem is reported. It's also true lithium orotate may have unexpected effects - keep in mind use of lithium in the past 100 years has been primarily higher doses of lithium carbonate for serious conditions such as bipolar disorder. Use of lithium orotate in people without bipolar disorder is a guess, arguably an educated guess, and investigational.
Best wishes, hopefully no one trying a nutritional supplement has adverse effects, but reports to FDA if they do.
Thanks for your reply, I never said lithium orotate was approved by FDA as it is only a food supplement, not regulated by FDA at all. The Office of Dietary Supplement (ODS) did not even issue an official daily intake quantity. It is a complete guessing game until next set of clinical trials are completed. At this time all we can do it take an educated guess based on available data and monitoring if any adverse reaction occurs during this self experimentation.
I have not experienced any half life change at all as I have no way to measure lithium ion concentration in blood on an hourly basis. What I found was there was very limited mention of this change in the literature. Unfortunately as a new person in this forum I am not allowed to attach any link to my posting, sorry.
I just joinned, and I am delighted to participate in this forum. I have been reading AD literature for the last couple of years due to family history of ADs. I am not a physician or medical professional but was trained as a chemical engineer. I am going to start taking a very low dose of lithium orotate once I receive the shipment. Earlier today, I went through the recent Nature paper by Aron Liviu etal from Harvard and decided to explore this subject by some self-experimentation in a scientific way.
As we all know, safety is a paramont concern when taking any supplements so I searched low dose lithium long term toxicity in the medical literature but found little. There are well established renal toxicity when prescribed at very large dosage of 300 to 400mg of lithium carbonate which has very low bioavailibility. On the other hand, lithium orotate has very high bioavailibility due to the orotate ions help lithium ions get into cells, especially in the brain. Thus, how much lithium ions in the blood and how long they stay becomes important.
I searched the lithium orotate half life in blood (hours of 50% of lithium ion still remaining in blood after introduction) and found 24 to 36 hours, however, long term use increases half life to 48 to 64 hours. Thus, I think it will be a good idea to take lithium orotate every other day or every third days in stead of every day.
I sincerely welcome any discussions on this subject.
I came to the same conclusion but have started low and slow - for no logical reason except caution is in my DNA. I started with 1mg and had all my wits and bodily functions after a couple of days, then increased to 2mg. I will go to 3mg this week and 5 next week assuming all remains steady. And I will hold at 5.
Remember to increase water intake since the drug can be a stress on kidneys. That is reported at higher dosage but easy enough to avoid it even at low doses by drinking more water. Rule of thumb I am learning is to divide your weight in half and drink that many ounces a day.
Has your doc sent you for neuropsych testing ? I had my first round 18 mos ago so was due for an update - which will coincidentally serve as a testing baseline for the lithium supplement therapy.
What dosage are you going to be taking? I can't find anything to use as a guide. I bought 5mg pills, but decided to split them into quarters. It's all a guessing game right now.
So far I have not found any lithium orotate in pill form, they are capsoles and difficult to split. The FDA office of dietary supplement suggest a daily intake of 0.3 to 3mg, thus I am taking a 5mg capsole every third days. Please let me know where you buy the pill form. Thanks
I got mine on eBay. The brand is Lindens and they came from the UK. Lindens seems like a reputable company.
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1 ReactionThank you for this thoughtful look at Lithium orotate. How long before the blood half life increases to the extent you noted?
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Regarding lithium orotate pharmacokinetics, dosing, safety, adverse effects, and beneficial effects - these are unknowns, see following.
Lithium orotate you may buy over the counter at health food store or from an internet source are not FDA approved. The only way the FDA will look at a product is if you have an adverse effect and report it or ask your doctor or pharmacist to report the product. Adverse effects reports will typically include the manufacturer, lot, and expiration. The FDA would determine what chemicals are in the product only after adverse effects are reported, not before. Pharmokinetic data on dissolution, absorption, half life in blood and brain, and similar parameters are reported to FDA for approved drugs, but your nutritional supplement is not an approved drug so I don't believe you will be able to obtain pharmaceutical data from the company of manufacture - although you could certainly ask - otherwise you can guess and hope what is on the label is accurate in addition.
Country of origin for lithium orotate may not be on your bottle. Many pharmaceuticals and nutritional supplements originate from India and China - costs may increase with tariffs.
As hdeff mentioned above, "it's a guessing game" right now. Guessing until such time as a known FDA approved and researched product is available.
I do encourage anyone experiencing adverse effects to take the effort to report to FDA, ask a pharmacist for help if you have trouble completing the online FDA adverse effects report. Sad to say some nutritional supplements aren't what they are supposed to be; to repeat the FDA doesn't sample nutritional supplements unless a problem is reported. It's also true lithium orotate may have unexpected effects - keep in mind use of lithium in the past 100 years has been primarily higher doses of lithium carbonate for serious conditions such as bipolar disorder. Use of lithium orotate in people without bipolar disorder is a guess, arguably an educated guess, and investigational.
Best wishes, hopefully no one trying a nutritional supplement has adverse effects, but reports to FDA if they do.
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3 ReactionsThanks for your reply, I never said lithium orotate was approved by FDA as it is only a food supplement, not regulated by FDA at all. The Office of Dietary Supplement (ODS) did not even issue an official daily intake quantity. It is a complete guessing game until next set of clinical trials are completed. At this time all we can do it take an educated guess based on available data and monitoring if any adverse reaction occurs during this self experimentation.
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2 ReactionsI have not experienced any half life change at all as I have no way to measure lithium ion concentration in blood on an hourly basis. What I found was there was very limited mention of this change in the literature. Unfortunately as a new person in this forum I am not allowed to attach any link to my posting, sorry.
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marvelous research on your part!!
I came to the same conclusion but have started low and slow - for no logical reason except caution is in my DNA. I started with 1mg and had all my wits and bodily functions after a couple of days, then increased to 2mg. I will go to 3mg this week and 5 next week assuming all remains steady. And I will hold at 5.
Remember to increase water intake since the drug can be a stress on kidneys. That is reported at higher dosage but easy enough to avoid it even at low doses by drinking more water. Rule of thumb I am learning is to divide your weight in half and drink that many ounces a day.
Has your doc sent you for neuropsych testing ? I had my first round 18 mos ago so was due for an update - which will coincidentally serve as a testing baseline for the lithium supplement therapy.
And here is another good article describing the research landscape. Good luck!!
https://www.psychiatryredefined.org/lithium-alzheimer-disease-and-a-turning-point-in-mental-health-care/
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