Starting BIG 3 tonight ….

Posted by lynncat @lynncat, Sep 18 5:09pm

Hello , I am starting my BIG 3 tonight .I was diagnosed with Mac Avium and have 2 cavities in upper right lung .My only symptoms have been a chronic cough since I had walking pneumonia at christmas time. Doctor thought maybe asthma or reflux and eventually after a Bronchoscopy they grew the bacteria . This was in May and I got diagnosed in June . However over the summer it has gotten worse ( I was away in Asia /Europe for 2 months) - the CT scan confirmed that .. I am a healthy 56 year old. No other issues or medications . However I am freaked out about the antibiotics Azithromyci 500mg, Ethambutol 1000mg, Rifampin 600 mg / my doctor said to take with food at dinner .

I have been reading so much about all the side effects 🙁 And how other people space out the meds. In 1 week I see a ID doctor to determine if I will add on the IV... .It is overwhelming, and I don t know what to expect.... most people get sick I think ? of the side effects?

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Oh I see , that makes so much sense. I will try to ease in to it as best as I can :0 I also drink plain KEFIR first thing AM .. and also I dod not understand that most people might have something in the beginning until your body adjusts. I have quit alcohol- which I love - and will stick to coffee and walks until my cough eases up. then I want to go back to pilates..( I hope my cough will ease up? I dont to any airways clearing etc. I spit up naturally ? used to not at all -but over the summer things changed. . I am so glad for this group . I am in Manhattan NY, and so far I think I am in very good hands... I do ask a lot of questions though... Thank you again 🙂

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Profile picture for Mary @mjb24

I have been on Big 3 daily for over a year with few problems. I had some nausea the first few weeks but then it passed. A few months in, I became extremely itchy but that also passed. I have followed the directions that come with the meds: Rifampin should be taken 1 hr before or 2 hrs after a meal, the others can be taken with or without food. Probiotics should be 4 hrs before and after antibiotics. Here is what works for me
7AM after breakfast Azithromycin & Ethambutol
12N Probiotic
3PM Inhaled Arikayce
9PM Rifampin

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Mary, I'm so glad you're getting through the 4 meds basically unscathed like myself. Especially for the newbies, it's always helpful to hear from people that haven't had such a rough time of this. Thank you and continued well wishes. Terri

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Profile picture for lynncat @lynncat

Thank you so much for your reply..
I had a regular day - aside from orange pee and a little sleepy in am. Now home I am feeling a little nausesous and flu like .like a fever ish etc. all that is on the list of common symptoms .- docs office is closed . I will still take medicine as directed tonight with dinner .I was told by doctor to take at night in case side effects will be during sleep. So you just take the pills even feeling the side effects if mild I guess? I am usually so active s this is a new "reality" . will let my self rest until it settles? Did you slow down the few weeks and then get energy back.. thank you again for answering 🙂 very much appreciate . I live with my younger daughter alone ( other daughter in college) .

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@lynncat Yes, it took a little time but I was able to keep working full time and my husband was a help around the house. I did adjust and although I since retired this past June, I keep quite busy. Right now, your body is fighting infection & getting accustomed to the new drugs. Also, it is mentally straining to go through the diagnosis and acceptance of treatment so I think it's natural to experience fatigue and a lack of energy . Hopefully, you will adjust over time and fair well on the meds, like many others on this site. When I was experiencing the nausea, I purchased Sea Band acupressure wristbands and they did help. Your doctor can also give you something for nausea, I just did not want yet another pill going into my body and was able to work through it

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oh and I forgot - do you take Motrin etc for headaches etc.? I forgot to ask if I can take something of the side effects .. ha!

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I was told not to take NSAIDs, to use Tylenol instead, if needed.

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Profile picture for terrimn @terrimn

Long read, but here's what works for me. Except for periodic "tired" days, I have zero side effects.
4:30A-Sunrise yoga/Inhaled Amikacin/500 mg Azithromycin with just a sip of water.
530A-Black coffee followed by 8 miles daily run (aka Airway Clearance & Mental Health Care).
730A-Breakfast
8A-500P-Living my full life of daughter, wife, mom, grandma to 4 busy boys, and volunteer work.
5:00P-Inhaled Amikacin followed by dinner.
8:00P-Ethambutol and Rifampin with FULL glass of water.
Also, I've always been an upbeat, positive, glass half full kinda gal, so this "little bump in the road" hasn't stopped me. Just simply tweaked my already very busy and full life. On my "fatigue" days is when I get some crocheting, reading, or baking done plus take a nap. I realize I'm a very lucky 64 yo for having zero side effects from all these meds. Terri

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That is quite the schedule! How long have you been taking the Big 3 plus inhaled Amikacin? I'm guessing longer than 6 months since you are on the inhaled Amikacin as well.

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Hi, so thankful to have found this group. Was diagnosed a year ago with bronchiectasis, ntm and now abscesses. Beginning 5 antibiotics. Just wondering if anyone bought an air purifier and recommends it, also a sterilizer for my nebulizer and aerobika. Tired of boiling water.
Thank you, this is so overwhelming.

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Profile picture for fran22 @fran22

Hi, so thankful to have found this group. Was diagnosed a year ago with bronchiectasis, ntm and now abscesses. Beginning 5 antibiotics. Just wondering if anyone bought an air purifier and recommends it, also a sterilizer for my nebulizer and aerobika. Tired of boiling water.
Thank you, this is so overwhelming.

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I do have an air purifier with hepa filter because I have a couple severe allergies to pollen and have mild asthma. I use it a lot when pollen counts are high. I also have young grandchildren and use it when they come over after the upper respiratory illnesses start at their schools. It's just a room sized one.
I use the Bololo bottle sterilizer and love it for the ease and storage between use.

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Profile picture for rmoore901 @rmoore901

Interesting you are starting all 3 at the same time. When I started the big daily I just did the Azithromycin for the first week then added the Rifabutin week two and Erythromycin week three to help determine if any caused initial side effects. Are you also taking a probiotic in addition to the kefir? I did space mine out through the day and for me, I tolerated them better with food even if it was just toast or crackers. It does seem early to add in the IV after a month as it appears to be given if you don’t convert to negative after a longer period, 4-6 months. Hope you tolerate the meds well, sorry you are going through this journey but glad you found this group which is a great support and resource.

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It is interesting how so many doctors have different protocol. When I started on the meds back in 2016 I was on the three of them every day of my life!! May I tell you that was quickly put at three day a week , but never one at a time. Irene5

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Profile picture for pacathy @pacathy

I do have an air purifier with hepa filter because I have a couple severe allergies to pollen and have mild asthma. I use it a lot when pollen counts are high. I also have young grandchildren and use it when they come over after the upper respiratory illnesses start at their schools. It's just a room sized one.
I use the Bololo bottle sterilizer and love it for the ease and storage between use.

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Thank you for your response. Do you sterilize your equipment after each use? I was sterilizing one day a week and rinsing everyday in boiled water. I use my nebulizer and aerobika 2x a day.

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I have a more dry bronchiectasis with little sputum, so I nebulize just daily with doc's ok. I do medicated saline nasal wash, usually twice daily. I run the Bololo 4-5x/week and use microwave steamer bags (also for baby things) the other days and for night nasal rinse bottle.
People read different ideas and figure out their system and there are a few good options. I'm happy with this now-it's quick. If sputum increases, I'll neb more and use Bololo daily..

The main thing is to keep equipment clean and avoid development of biofilms and there are different ways to achieve that. Good luck!

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