Please help seronegative inflammatory arthritis

Posted by sas2012 @sas2012, Sep 9 12:38am

Really been through the mill. NHS are not accepting diagnosis and focussing on sclerosis only not active inflammation. Lower back pain since 20s got significantly worse 2017 - costochondritis and back spasms 2020 by 2023 moved to sternum ribs and T9 middle spine, tendon in right arm, wrist now it’s in every joint and I’m still left without treatment. Standard MRIs only no contrast given of spine and SI joints. The pain is so severe like I’ve been crystallised from the inside it’s severe tissue ripping agony. I’ve not worked in 3 years. They are still trying to say it’s something else when I know it’s what the private said axial and peripheral spondyloarthritis. No DMARD yet no one acknowledging the spread as I’m seronegative and hla5b7 negative. I’m seeing a private again in 2 weeks in hope they will help me

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Enthesistis is very difficult to image and a standard MRI is not enough. My shouders were so swollen on the day, yet they say no inflammation.....its insane! I have photo proo, everything, but they wont listen or offer a doppler ultrasound

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What did you or are you going to do?

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I am so similar, I do have Rheumatoid Arthritis RHA Factor, but low, Osteoarthritis and more, my fingers are gnarled and twisted but I’ve never spoke with anyone else who’s been diagnosed with costochondritis, I had one overnight in the hospital not sure if I was having a heart attack or what. The pain was so bad I was massaging my chest for days. $28k ++ later no one can help me. I still get the stabbing pain, frequent aches, if I ever had a heart attack I’d likely think it was another extreme day. I’ve turned into one of those people that always had an ache or pain to complain about and I do not like that at all! It’s not who I want to be.

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I am so sorry, as a fellow Brit all I can tell you is that the NHS at the moment is utterly broken and it's a fight to get any help at all. I'm very lucky I'm hugely serum positive but still find myself in a situation where I wrote begging to know what to do about serious side effects and don't even get my emails acknowledged, let alone answered. I'm currently in a 2 month pause of having no DMARD because I can't take HCQ and there's no appointment available to start me on MTX.

That doesn't help you, except maybe to know that you aren't alone?

There is a herb called Cats Claw that acts very much like methotrexate which you could perhaps try. I'm also taking MSM, liquorice root and curcumin (not turmeric, curcumin) all of which are proven and tested against inflammation and arthritis. Let me know of you want details of where to buy, they're all on Ebay but only some sources can be trusted.

I'm waiting on my latest set of, private, blood tests but I think I've managed to put myself in remission, given the huge improvements in my vasculitis and the absence of a single flare.

Good luck getting the treatment you need.

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Are Brits still entitled to a second opinion with healthcare?
Can you get yourself to one of the hospitals that specializes in your conditions to get it recognized? I am a Brit in USA and I am thinking of returning to Britain, but you’ve got me worried now.
Good luck.

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Profile picture for lucyrutland @lucyrutland

Are Brits still entitled to a second opinion with healthcare?
Can you get yourself to one of the hospitals that specializes in your conditions to get it recognized? I am a Brit in USA and I am thinking of returning to Britain, but you’ve got me worried now.
Good luck.

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The NHS is on its knees but it's very variable from one region and one specialism to another. My husband in on the waiting list for an ablation to sort out atrial flutter. He's been told 8 to 9 months. We have just paid 20k for a pacemaker because he could have died waiting for that. Private services are now also under pressure because of the number of people spending their life savings to get off waiting lists. My NHS rheumatology department doesn't even answer emails asking what to do about serious side effects, so I pay a private guy as well I wish I could be more positive about my own country, but that's the honest truth, sorry.

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What did you or are you going to do?

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I have an appointment with a specialist who will count the areas affected by enthesitis.. I have counted myself and its 16!!!! 2 or more areas the NICE Guidelines state must be referred and treated. Its absolutely shocking. They have now tried to remove the costochondritis diagnosis from 2018 that links the sternum sclerosis..... I didnt want to take legal advice, as its not about money, but this has gone too far now....
Theyre closing ranks as my rhuematologist found multiple sites ofsclerosis and the NHS trust wont admit this fully. I swear if i get a chance at life again and togetsome quaity of life i am dedicating my life to helping others that may face similar situations

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I am so similar, I do have Rheumatoid Arthritis RHA Factor, but low, Osteoarthritis and more, my fingers are gnarled and twisted but I’ve never spoke with anyone else who’s been diagnosed with costochondritis, I had one overnight in the hospital not sure if I was having a heart attack or what. The pain was so bad I was massaging my chest for days. $28k ++ later no one can help me. I still get the stabbing pain, frequent aches, if I ever had a heart attack I’d likely think it was another extreme day. I’ve turned into one of those people that always had an ache or pain to complain about and I do not like that at all! It’s not who I want to be.

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Have you ever considered you pay have the same disease? Have you had frequent costo attacks? I understand so much how youfeel this disease takes everything from you i havent been out of the house in 2 years apart from to apts. Its also made me loose relationships as i have no sex drive it hurts to be touhed and even hugged x

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Profile picture for lucyrutland @lucyrutland

Are Brits still entitled to a second opinion with healthcare?
Can you get yourself to one of the hospitals that specializes in your conditions to get it recognized? I am a Brit in USA and I am thinking of returning to Britain, but you’ve got me worried now.
Good luck.

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The NHS is broken i would advise against it personally. If you have a recognised conditio nHS found im sure youd be ok, but if like me, you have an atypical presentation and they dont have to treat you, they wont. Worse still if they know theyare liablefor missed findings likeme, they close ranks and protect each other. Thing is i dont know what they are playing at as i will just pay for another and see a specialist privately, theyre not getting aay with this. Ill be lucky if i get any quality of life back now its reached my TMJ and skull- 16 enthesitis points

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Profile picture for cptrayes @cptrayes

The NHS is on its knees but it's very variable from one region and one specialism to another. My husband in on the waiting list for an ablation to sort out atrial flutter. He's been told 8 to 9 months. We have just paid 20k for a pacemaker because he could have died waiting for that. Private services are now also under pressure because of the number of people spending their life savings to get off waiting lists. My NHS rheumatology department doesn't even answer emails asking what to do about serious side effects, so I pay a private guy as well I wish I could be more positive about my own country, but that's the honest truth, sorry.

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Oh my goodness this is so difficult to read! 20K???? I have no words! You work all your life and then get forced to spend the savigs you earned just trying to survive! What an absolute sham of a country we live in!

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Good luck! I thank my lucky stars every time I read stories like yours that I'm so conclusively serum positive! It's a real battle if you aren't, they just don't want to admit that you need expensive drugs.

I hope you get the help you need.

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Do you mean serum calprotectin? As thats the only blood test i havent had. My CRP and ESR normal. Raised MCV freelightchains and lambada- all because of uncontrolled axial and peripheral sponsyloarthritis, but ratherthan accept this and the diagnosis they will send me for tests to look for a marrow issue.....i had a marrow signal in 2020. Theyre just delaying treatment and deferring care. I will disclose something shocking that i still havent recovered from and what setthis chain of events off. My first rhuemy i paid private for, trailed me on various meds to rule out other conditions, told me he was 100% in person but on paper said 'it certainly looks like Axspa.. This rhuemy i saw several times over a 12 month period, he watched things progress, told me my elbows were enthesitis and the lumps on the back of my skull in 2024, and then.......because my MRIs didnt match up (no contrast given) He cancelled my appointment thati made as iwas getting worse and sent me to a pain clinic for the mechanical issues i had like annular tears caused by the disease!!!! This caused a chain of gaslighting neglect and dismissal. I was subsequently refused a referralback to NHS rhuematology, ithen got x2 opinion who gave me a working diagnosis of seronegative inflammatory arthritis, she attempted to intitiate Sulfasalizine through the NHS and they declined until id been seen by the NHS. 12 months later its spread bilaterally all over my body, i screamed for help, sent photos in when i couldnt walk, but nothing was done, i even made an aptto see an MSK specialist to get my joints checked and instead it was a pre determined appointmentthat sent me to pain management, who were horrified when i arrived in a wheelchair with an inflmmatory arthritis diagnosis and told me i should never of been sent here. All thos consultant had to do was write a supportive letter to NHS but instead he saw me as too much trouble clearly and left me to rot.

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Profile picture for lucyrutland @lucyrutland

Are Brits still entitled to a second opinion with healthcare?
Can you get yourself to one of the hospitals that specializes in your conditions to get it recognized? I am a Brit in USA and I am thinking of returning to Britain, but you’ve got me worried now.
Good luck.

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Youre entitled to as many opinions as you want i later found out.

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