Relief for hot flashes during the night
I found something that helps reduce the number of disruptive hot flashes that wake me up during the night and want to share it with the group. I am on both Orgovyx and Zytiga. The hot flashes during the day are just annoying, but the ones at night have been disruptive to my sleep, which adds to my fatigue during the day. I have been using a ceiling fan with mixed results and needed something better.
I recently bought a “Dual Temp” cooling mattress pad from my local Sleep Number store. The pad goes on top of the mattress (and mattress pad if you use one) and is covered by a fitted breathable sheet. The cooling and heating unit goes under the bed. It has three settings for warming or cooling. The way it works is that you cover the fitted sheet with a top sheet and or a blanket, bedspread, or comforter. You turn the unit on about 20 minutes before you plan to get into bed to cool off the bed. This it’s important. It won’t work as well if you don’t pre cool the bed. The unit under the bed blows chilled air through a flattened tube and into the mattress pad. The pad blows the chilled air through the fitting sheet and the top sheet / blanket trapping it underneath. I found the highest setting helps keep me stay cool and it greatly reduced the number of hot flashes that wake me up. It’s so cool that I have to wear light sleep pants! I set a timer for the number of hours you want it to run. If I do get a hot flash the cool air seems to reduce sweating and quickly wicks moisture away.
It’s a bit pricey; typically $1,199 for 1/2 for a King sized bed when not on sale. On sale it may cost $200-$300 less and may include free shipping. It’s also not silent. On HIGH I was concerned that the fan noise would be a problem. It wasn’t a problem for me but it might be for you.
There are other less expensive units that blow air around you however I don’t believe that they provide cooling from beneath you. For the record, I have no affiliation with Sleep Number. I’m just sharing what I learned to provide information that might help other PCa patients whose sleep is being disrupted by hot flashes.
Here are a couple links for more information
https://www.sleepnumber.com/products/dualtemp-layer
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Portable fan (doubles as a USB battery).
https://www.amazon.com/Handheld-Portable-Operated-Personal-Rechargeable/dp/B086ZQMBLX
But as with @jeffmarc, my hot flushes have decreased both in severity and frequency over the years as my body adjusted to long-term ADT use. Instead of the soakers I'd get back in 2021–22, they're mainly just feeling a little warm for 5–10 min now.
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1 ReactionI wish that was true for me. Had Lupron for 7 years and the hot flash intensity did reduce over time, for a while, because I was getting depo-provera shots every three months . After starting Orgovyx Two years ago, I have really had some major hot flash problems. First five months I had almost no hot flashes then they came on hard. I couldn’t take it any longer and had to get a depo-provera shot about a month ago to try to get them to be milder and it worked. Nowadays I only get one or two a day that actually soak my hair, The rest are somewhat mild. Between a fan and my Wave 2 device, they don’t last too long.
The fan you pictured is real nice, I have one and it works well to cool off my face and head. It’s easy to carry around.
The one in the picture below it’s a lot stronger and completely variable speed.. The battery lasts a long time and it clips on the very thick material or sits just flat as it shows. I always have it clipped next to my bed to cool me off as a hot flash comes on. Got it on Amazon. It’s my second one the first one and only lasted about five years.
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6 ReactionsI find that limiting carbs reduces the severity.
I’ve been watching my carbs for four or five years and limit them pretty much constantly. I still get lots of hot flashes. I don’t think that makes any difference, but my A1c is 5.4 and that’s the target I was aiming for.
Makes sense. My only verifiable victory is getting up to pee when a flash hits me in the night!
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2 ReactionsHot flashes are not a result of ADT. They are a result of low or absent testosterone, which is the reason for ADT. I was on ADT (Lupron, Abiraterone and Prednisone) for three years and had 6-8 hot flashes a day and 3-4 per night. I have been off ADT for 11 months, but am still experiencing hot flashes, although not quite as severe. My testosterone has reached 100 now, but the hot flashes are still a constant companion. I find that keeping the bedroom cool at night helps the nighttime hot flashes somewhat. I have tried black cohosh, ground flax seeds and other “remedies”, but haven’t noticed any improvement. I rather put up with the hot flashes than take drugs with all their side effects and potential interactions. I am willing to take drugs that will stop or slow the progression of my cancer, but I am unwilling to take drugs to combat the side effects of the drugs, other than calcium and Alendronate to prevent bone loss and iron to help red blood cells. When I was on ADT, I also needed Lisinopril to lower my blood pressure because ADT drugs raise blood pressure.
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1 ReactionQuestion: Do you get pins and needles in your arms and torso immediately before getting a hot flash? I find it as unpleasant as the hot flashes themselves.
True, ADT doesn’t directly cause hot flashes. Basically, ADT (androgen deprivation therapy) hormone therapy leads to the pituitary gland downregulating its response resulting in a decrease in testosterone from the testicles. (See attached diagram,) This decrease in testosterone has significant metabolic side-effects, including (unfortunately) hot flashes. (Note that testosterone is an “androgen.”)
Lupron is an ADT (along with Eligard, Prostap, Camcevi, Lucrin, Zoladex, Trelstar, Pamorelin, Decapeptyl, Firmagon, and Orgovyx.)
Abiraterone (Zytiga) is not an ADT, Though it is a hormone therapy, it’s actually an ARPI (androgen receptor pathway inhibitor) - along with Erleada (apalutimide), Xtandi (enzalutimide), and Nubeqa (darolutamide).
Prednisone is a steroid used to control cortisol levels that are affected by the Abiraterone (Zytiga).
Depending on what your baseline testosterone level was, and how long you were on ADT, they say to not expect full recovery from the side-effects for 50% longer than you were on ADT. (Some men never fully recover depending on their age and how many years they were on ADT.). There are documented ways to minimize the side-effects of hormone therapy - including the hot flashes - without using other pharmaceuticals.
You mentioned bone loss. Did you have a baseline DEXA scan prior to start treatments?
Yes, I did have a DEXA scan which showed bone loss. I think that your 50% of time to recover from ADT is correct, at least for me. Six years ago I was on ADT for six months and it took three months after discontinuing for my testosterone to get up to 400. This time, I was on ADT for three years and am now eleven months off. My testosterone is now 100 and I am hopeful that it will return to normal in seven months. I hope that the side effects stop a long time before my PSA goes up.
@jeffmarc my husband has intense hit flashes even now over a year after his last hormone treatment. I will suggest this for him! Thank you!