Insurance denied petscan? All research shows it sb done, what next?

Posted by puzzled211 @puzzled211, Jul 14 9:37pm

High kappa/lambda ratio is 34.; kappa free light is 26.5; high lgG 2360; AG Ratio .08; alpha globulins all high. Dr said need petscan along with the bone marrow; skeletal ct and doing a chest ct as nodules found in lung - why would ins deny petscan - all web searches show needful and protocol;

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Putting this out there so anyone who has challenges getting things approved - this is what I found out today. BCBS did not deny but it was the 3rd party they use that denied my petscan. BCBS connected me to them and I explained my whole story - she said the dr did not even do a peer to peer with them. She said most likely they (3rd party) want more information like blood tests. She gave me their direct# and case ref# and I gave them back to the doctors nurse and asked them to make this happen. Perhaps the dr is so busy and did not take the time - I do not know but that is a bit frustrating. The response I got back was the skeletal CT scan sb sufficient along with the bone marrow biopsy.....but what I see on the web from Sloan Kettering Hospital and Cleveland Clinic and Mayo as well - is that the petscan is an integral part along with the BMB because it is possible that the spot they pull the biopsy from may not have the bad cells in that spot which is why a petscan is also needed as it sees all of the bones on in the inside. The skeletal CT shows if any lesions are on the bones on the outside.....SO. I have asked the doctors office to push this today as my insurance changes 8/1 and I need to know what I am dealing with. QUESTION - Am I being unreasonable....

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That's interesting. I've had multiple myeloma for a year now. I've never had a Pet scan. My doctor said it wasn't necessary. I've had lot of MRI's and CT scans. I even did a complete work up at Mayo Rochester before my stem cell transplant in January. Still no PET scan.

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Putting this out there so anyone who has challenges getting things approved - this is what I found out today. BCBS did not deny but it was the 3rd party they use that denied my petscan. BCBS connected me to them and I explained my whole story - she said the dr did not even do a peer to peer with them. She said most likely they (3rd party) want more information like blood tests. She gave me their direct# and case ref# and I gave them back to the doctors nurse and asked them to make this happen. Perhaps the dr is so busy and did not take the time - I do not know but that is a bit frustrating. The response I got back was the skeletal CT scan sb sufficient along with the bone marrow biopsy.....but what I see on the web from Sloan Kettering Hospital and Cleveland Clinic and Mayo as well - is that the petscan is an integral part along with the BMB because it is possible that the spot they pull the biopsy from may not have the bad cells in that spot which is why a petscan is also needed as it sees all of the bones on in the inside. The skeletal CT shows if any lesions are on the bones on the outside.....SO. I have asked the doctors office to push this today as my insurance changes 8/1 and I need to know what I am dealing with. QUESTION - Am I being unreasonable....

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I went to a myeloma specialist. She ordered the bmb and body ct scan. Next year, and every year after, I will have a pet scan. I am smoldering.

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I went to a myeloma specialist. She ordered the bmb and body ct scan. Next year, and every year after, I will have a pet scan. I am smoldering.

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Thank you amber199 - May I ask how did they confirm smoldering? The biopsy or blood tests???

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That's interesting. I've had multiple myeloma for a year now. I've never had a Pet scan. My doctor said it wasn't necessary. I've had lot of MRI's and CT scans. I even did a complete work up at Mayo Rochester before my stem cell transplant in January. Still no PET scan.

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Thank you for that info. My doctor did reply back and state that a skeletal CT would be sufficient along with the biopsy and blood tests.

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FYI.....My doctor did reply back and state that a skeletal CT would be sufficient along with the biopsy and blood tests. All good. Would any of you care to elaborate on how it is that the distinction between MGUS, Smoldering and Active MM - are the blood test numbers - super high?

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Thank you amber199 - May I ask how did they confirm smoldering? The biopsy or blood tests???

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The bmb determines this.

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My smoldering was also confirmed with bmb. I have a ct pt scan august 1 to determine if i have any bone lesions. If i do not, i am just smoldering with 2 high risk markers. If I have even 1, I am mm. Hoping lady luck is on my side.

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Medicare Advantage (MA) plans are required by law to cover all services that Medicare does, but they make their own determinations as to what care is "reasonable and necessary". People should be aware that there is definitely an issue with MA plans denying care that Medicare would permit. See, for example, https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2815743 A couple of years ago, the HHS Office of Inspector General found that MAs "sometimes delayed or denied Medicare Advantage beneficiaries’ access to services, even though the requests met Medicare coverage rules". https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/OEI-09-18-00260.pdf

Are they supposed to do that? Nope. Do they do it? Yep. MAs exist to make a profit. Remember that when you decide between original Medicare plus a medigap and an MA.

So why is nothing done about it? Well, insurance companies have lots of money - certainly more than patients or providers - and are not shy about spreading it around.

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Medicare Advantage (MA) plans are required by law to cover all services that Medicare does, but they make their own determinations as to what care is "reasonable and necessary". People should be aware that there is definitely an issue with MA plans denying care that Medicare would permit. See, for example, https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2815743 A couple of years ago, the HHS Office of Inspector General found that MAs "sometimes delayed or denied Medicare Advantage beneficiaries’ access to services, even though the requests met Medicare coverage rules". https://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/OEI-09-18-00260.pdf

Are they supposed to do that? Nope. Do they do it? Yep. MAs exist to make a profit. Remember that when you decide between original Medicare plus a medigap and an MA.

So why is nothing done about it? Well, insurance companies have lots of money - certainly more than patients or providers - and are not shy about spreading it around.

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I have been hearing this a lot lately. I go on Medicare next year and am trying to absorb all the info I can to be well prepared to make the right decisions. My friends get great perks on Advantage Plans but I’m learning the plans are not all they’re cracked up to be. 3 different medical billing people have now told me that I will get better service from non-Advantage plans. And they won’t deny me procedures and meds that are being denied to me now by my current health insurance.

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