Severe RLS solved for me

Posted by zombiewoof @zombiewoof, Feb 8 11:45am

The following is a true story without embellishment or exaggeration.

I’ve had RLS for 35 years now. It got worse over time and is very severe now at the age 69. It is the worst RLS symptoms my sleep doctor has seen being in the top 1% of severity from here experience.

In the years preceding finding my current sleep doctor I was getting three to four hours of sleep a night. I tried every RLS medication out there (with one exception explained below). Gabapetine and Requip were zero percent effective. OTC pain meds like aspirin, acetaminophen and ibuprofen did nothing. Tylenol PM and others like this wired my eyes open. High doses of magnesium also did nothing. I was tested for low iron. This was normal but I took iron supplements just the same. I then found a doctor who prescribed Pramipexole. I started out at .375 mg and got enough relief to sleep about six hours per night for four or five nights a week. What a relief to get some restful sleep after years of struggle and misery. I shelved my plans for moving to Oregon for doctor assisted suicide. Yes, it was honestly that bad for me.

Over the next years the Pramipexole worked well but I had to gradually increase the dosage as augmentation set in Eventually I was up to 1 mg/day (taking eight .125 mg tablets) but the effectiveness had decreased significantly. Taking even higher doses was having negative side effects with no RLS reduction benefits. At this point I was back to four hours of restless sleep per night. I stated augmenting the Pramipexole with several ounces of alcohol at around midnight to 1AM just so I could pass out and get some sleep. This continued on for about another year with varying effectiveness. The trajectory for this regime was bad, obviously not a good long term solution. Completely sleep deprived, drinking on a regular basis, legs thrashing when I laid down, pacing endlessly most of the night to get relief, only to fall into a fitful sleep at two, three or four o’clock in the morning, sometimes seeing the sun rise before collapsing into exhaustion. Emotionally I was a wreck, would break out crying in despair, no sex life or relationship with my wife. I started once again planning my move to Oregon for physician assisted suicide. I could no longer live like this.

Enter the solution for me. Miraculously I found a sleep doctor/specialist who dedicates her professional life to this affliction. During my initial visit she took an hour and a half listening to my RLS journey and asking probative questions. As noted above I had tried everything and I was at the end of my rope. Doing due diligence she ordered the normal tests, a sleep study (which was an abysmal failure since I didn’t sleep) and started me on the normal medication regimen (Requip, Pramepexole, Gabapentin, magnesium etc., etc..) all to verify that nothing worked. Finally, as the medications of last resort, she prescribed Neupro 2mg/24 hour patch, 5 mg methadone and 300 mg of Gabapentin daily. The patch stays on for 24 hours and the Methadone and Gabapentin are taken after dinner. After some trial and error the dosages were increased to 3mg patch, 10mg Methadone, 600 mg Gabapentin and daily magnesium citrate. The results were nothing short of miraculous. In my 35 years of having this horrible affliction I’ve never this much relief from RLS. Things are still not perfect I can finally lead a near normal life and get a decent nights sleep most nights. Thank god I found this doctor or I would not be here today.

Important things that are now part of my regimen and contribute to the effectiveness of the drug protocol.
1. I exercise on a daily basis. I lost 10% of my body weight through diet and exercise bringing my weight down into the normal range for my height and physical build. This helped.
2. I have dinner early and do not over eat. Not having a full stomach at bedtime makes a difference.
3. I take powdered fiber with lots of water at breakfast and dinner to control the constipation from the Methadone.

I hope this post and my contribution here can help someone else to get relief from this horrible affliction.

Interested in more discussions like this? Go to the Sleep Health Support Group.

@vikkitennis

Thank you for your reply and experience down this terrible road to find the treatment you needed to combat RLS.
I have written in this forum about RLS, along with the many medications, doctors, treatments, in the past few years. I too have suffered from RLS for over 35 years (one doctor mentioned it was brought on by pregnancy when I was 33) yet it wasn't the type of creepy anxious feeling to move your legs; mine was a un-volunteer response when laying still at night, or sitting for a time (car, theatre) and my leg would kick, and nothing appeared to calm (at times both legs) down. I tried all the many prescriptions, iron infusion, just as you have, and was treated with methadone from a neurologist at the Barrow Institute in Phoenix. I couldn't handle the panic attacks, along with a tragedy in our family, that had me crying in an uncontrollable state. I then finally received a referral at Mayo and saw a sleep specialist, who after listening to me for one hour, she proclaimed I had Periodic Limb Movement Disorder. I was beyond overjoyed to hear her diagnosis, as I knew I had it, yet all the doctors told me it was RLS. She began me on the buprenorphine, sublime, as you are prescribed. I began with 1 mg, and have tapered down to .66 mg nightly. What a difference, and I am not waking up and staying awake during the night for hours. I continue to schedule appointments with her every six months, to review how my condition is.
Augmentation is hell, and to take a "drug holiday" is sure hell, as the Barrow doctor had me do with a drug he prescribed, pramipexole. That drug is the worst and should be banned. No one should use that. The Drug Holiday took weeks to finally get my sleep back, of which then the methadone with another doctor, was prescribed. I ended my relationship with him, saw another doctor with another group, of which I was prescribed methadone once again. Hell all over again.
In short, the buprenorphine has allowed our condition to remain calm at night, and many of the viewers need to look into it. I appreciate your endorsement, and also reading your experiences.

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I'm on the same path. I was seeing a doctor at the movement disorder clinic and now I'm starting with the sleep issues group at mayo. I'm getting pretty desperate. I've been on suboxone for a long time for severe spinal stenosis. It does help rls some but it seems this disease is never conquered, just held back until it regroups to strike again once it finds a way to defeat the newest treatment.

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@missjb

Hi Zombiewoof:

Suboxone is, like methadone, primarily used to treat addiction. It is made of buprenorphine (the part that helps restless leg) and nalox. The nalox mades it so someone with an addiction problem can't take a bunch of Suboxone all at once to get high, while it seems to have no effect when the Suboxone is taken as prescribed (like for me).

Suboxone comes as a rather small film. I'm prescribed just a part of the film and my (clever, dexterous) husband cuts it and places it in slots of my pill container (M-Tu-W etc). The size I take is teeny. Suboxone is absorbed under the tongue where it dissolves. Buprenorphine comes in a pill form (without the nalox), but (according to my doctor) is more expensive than when taken as Suboxone--why that is how he prescribes it.

Interestingly, for me, it doesn't take effect quickly. I go to bed three hours after taking it.

Realize it isn't the Suboxone that works. It's the buprenorphine in the Suboxone.

I really understand your sense of desperation. I stood on the very same ground. I'm sure I now have PTSD from it. Lack of sleep is torturous. Anyone subjected to this torture would become anxious and focused on getting effective treatment. I eventually developed insomnia--I remember one night only sleeping an hour and a half--which was the worse pain I ever experienced. I'm sure my brain caught on to the fact that sleep brought the RLS symptoms and refused to go to sleep to avoid them.

But, with effective treatment, I almost immediately started to fall asleep quickly and effortlessly (and like "normal" people) on a nightly basis. From total desperation to this---Yes, miraculous is what it felt like.

Not that every night is always perfect.

And anxiety does feed the RLS symptoms, so I try to do the things that make my bedtime less stressful. None of the "sleep hygiene" stuff ever made a difference (cold, dark room, with the sleep noise machine going all night etc etc). And, it was recommended that I not read in bed. Nonetheless, I do read a chapter or two, cosy in bed, because it relaxes me. I don't check the time when I shut my Kindle because I don't want to start counting "how many hours of sleep" if my RLS isn't bad and I have something to do the next morning--because that might make me anxious.

For me, I believe nothing was going to make the difference I needed until I was prescribed medication that was effective for me. I believe effective medication is the cornerstone for me. But, even this was not an overnight process. The more time on (what has been for me) the correct course, the more stable RLS management has become.

Zombiewoof: don't give up! I am pulling for you!

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Suboxone also comes in pill form, just fyi

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@missjb

The spacing of this "chart" was altered by the forum printing.

: ( The first set if stars is for buprenorphine and the second for methadone. There was a large space between, which the forum took away. I hope you all can still make sense of it. Risk of death 5 stars to buprenorphine and 2 stars to methadone. Pronunciation: 1 star to buprenorphine and 5 stars to methadone... Etc

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Great information, thanks for taking the time. I've been on suboxone for years but methadone had some advantages, especially constipation

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@kaydee1958a

Suboxone also comes in pill form, just fyi

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Good information, missjb. I understand the pill form also has to be dissolved under the tongue and it costs appreciably more. If it was a "swallow" pill maybe the increased cost might be worth it to me, but since it is also sublingual, I think the price difference makes Suboxone film the better choice for me. The film does need to be cut, however, so if dexterity is an issue, the pill form would take care of that. I understand the pills come in correct dosages. The film needs to be careful cut into tiny pieces. Good for people in this forum to understand all options. Thanks for bring this up.

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@kaydee1958a

I'm on the same path. I was seeing a doctor at the movement disorder clinic and now I'm starting with the sleep issues group at mayo. I'm getting pretty desperate. I've been on suboxone for a long time for severe spinal stenosis. It does help rls some but it seems this disease is never conquered, just held back until it regroups to strike again once it finds a way to defeat the newest treatment.

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I feel the same way, kaydee1958a--symptoms keep sneaking back, sometimes in the late afternoon and early evening, after I've had some "good" nights in a row. I accept that it is a chronic condition, but I sure don't like the fact that there is no way to reliably keep it at bay all of the time! I understand your desperation. Before Suboxone, I developed insomnia and couldn't sleep. I think my subconscious caught on to the fact my legs were going to wake me with pain, so it was afraid to let me sleep. For me, having insomnia on top of RLS was the lowest point. One of my recent trials was after gynecological surgery, my RLS worsened and ultimately I needed a stronger dose of Suboxone. That still doesn't mean all symptoms are now repressed--because they aren't---but increasing the dose helped me. (I do hope to lower the dose back down, in time--but that is a different story). Also, I have the Nidra (which I've been misspelling in this forum, sorry) leg bands. They aren't a perfect answer, either, but they do help. Having spinal stenosis pain on top of RLS is a lot for you to deal with. Maybe, you need an occasional pain pill on top of the Suboxone? Something different to cut off your symptoms completely for a spell. Give you a reset. I think nerves get irritated from the RLS and then are more easy to set off. I saw sleep psychologists twice (did all the sleep hygiene) and I agree anxiety makes it worse. But, for me sleep hygiene didn't overcome RLS symptoms--reducing RLS symptoms helped me sleep better. Please continue to share how you are doing with the sleep issues group!

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Is there any prescription or OTC sleep med that is NOT ( supposedly) addictive?
Simply meaning that one needs a higher & higher dose eventually?
MY physical for the year showed no problem with my liver or kidneys
& I take some type of sleep med almost every night, but I still worry.
Any advice? K

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Clonazpam only things that works for me..

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