Hormone Therapy

Posted by MaxC @cobratk, Jul 2 9:36pm

I am getting ready to start hormone therapy with orgovyx and have read that it can cause brain fog. Can anyone who has experienced this tell me how bad it is. My wife has memory issues and can’t help out driving me to radiation treatments or cooking. I am concerned this make it difficult to keep up with my treatments, so I have not committed to hormone therapy in my mind just yet.

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I truly thank everyone for your comments, it is so easy to overthink everything when getting ready to start treatment. I am doing daily exercises and working on my overthinking. My Decipher Score has not came back yet and I get my PET Scan next week. I have decided to trust my Dr and go ahead with the hormone and radiation treatment after all he did tell me that his goal was to cure this and I know that may or may not be possible. I think my biggest concern was quality of life and being 77 I didn’t want to make a decision that was going to make life suck from here on out. I try to stay on good websites like Mayo clinic which is helping.

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Profile picture for brianjarvis @brianjarvis

All ADT hormone therapies might cause brain fog.
But, you’re more likely to experience hot flashes, night sweats, weight gain, muscle atrophy, loss of strength and endurance, loss of libido, possibly ED, mood swings, emotions, and fatigue - all symptoms that are often related to menopause.
Yes, there may also be forgetfulness, confusion, brain fog, memory loss, insomnia, etc., but nothing that’s debilitating.
There are ways to minimize most of those ADT side-effects,

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Spot on and degrees of depression

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I didn’t comment on your driving question, Others have.

I drove to radiation for seven weeks and so did everybody else that was in the room getting radiation while I was there. Some people had a little fatigue after and rested in their cars, but most just drove off.

Never had an issue, sure doesn’t affect driving, you should be just fine.

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Profile picture for graybeard46 @graybeard46

Spot on and degrees of depression

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Regarding degrees of depression —>

We often hear about the physical benefits of resistance-training exercise to minimize the side-effects of hormone therapy (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YE61HSAsFb0).

But, there are also mental health benefits of exercise: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8n0cIhamFvo

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Seven months on Orgovyx, each month tougher than the previous. Daily changes of clothing from sweats, pulling to the side of the road as needed. PSA down 95% to less than 1. Pain, fatigue has reordered our lives -- I'm the sole driver. But keeping eyes on the prize -- beating down C, hoping for rebound.

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Seven months on Orgovyx, each month tougher than the previous. Daily changes of clothing from sweats, pulling to the side of the road as needed. PSA down 95% to less than 1. Pain, fatigue has reordered our lives -- I'm the sole driver. But keeping eyes on the prize -- beating down C, hoping for rebound.

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I had severe hot flashes for the first year on Lupron. As a hot flash was hitting I would feel a lot of fatigue. After a year, my oncologist prescribed a depo-provera shot every three months and it really stopped those hot flashes on Lupron. There are other hormones that can do this, speak to your doctor.

I know one person that says eating tofu every day really controlled his hot flashes, another person in this forum said the same thing. Can’t hurt to try it. Black Cohash is also said to help, especially for night sweats. Acupuncture works for some people.

I have an embrlabs.com wave product (wave 2). I’ve used it for Over three years now. It’s like a refrigerator that looks like a watch and sits on the inside of your wrist. You could set up one of the buttons for their night mode . Hit the button twice and It Produces cold waves at measured times during the night and prevents hot flashes and night sweats. They used to bug me, before I got this device . When you start to feel a hot flash coming on, you hit another one of the buttons twice and it sends cold chills through your arms and it reduces the intensity, shortens the life and can stop the hot flashes if hit quickly enough.
https://embrlabs.com/
If you get one, you should post a question in here about configuring it. I have instructions for exactly how to configure it so you’ll get the optimal use. They have a 30 day free trial.

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Profile picture for jeff Marchi @jeffmarc

I have been on ADT for almost 8 years. Orgovyx for the last year or so. Yes, you can expect brain fog if you stay on ADT long enough. It’s not just ADT, however, zytiga, apalutamide and Enzalutamide all can cause further brain fog. Darolutamide is the only one that doesn’t cross the blood brain barrier.

I have brain fog. I can’t remember the names of things, people just about everything, But it’s not like dementia. I find that I can use words to get around what I can’t remember, Though it will come back to me within a minute or two, most of the facts I know are clear as could be, Just don’t ask me the name of the doctor that told me those facts, most of the time. I can’t immediately remember the names of actors or politicians that I know very well, I will say a name one time and then it will not be there to say it again.

I have found you can get around this brain fog almost all the time. When I forget a word, I can describe the person or the object in great detail until I could find it on the web or somebody you can tell me the name.

It’s not like you lose your way home. You might forget the name of the street a block away, But that doesn’t matter because you know how to get home and most people can read a map To get street names if they forget.

The brain fog is more annoying than life changing.

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59, 13 months triple therapy. Exactly as @jeffmarc describes for me. My mother had vascular dementia and this is very different. I struggle for words but know exactly what I am expressing and work through it. Never have had an issue driving or other activities. Best of luck on your treatment.

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Thanks @brianjarvis The information you provided is helpful.
However, @lsk1000 you indicated in another discussion thread (Lupron, June 14) that you "don't think/don't know" if you are considered metastatic, and based on the description you provided, @northoftheborder replied on the same day, "No, you are not metastatic.
I noted that the "Doublet" Therapy OS benefits mentioned in the Phase III trial are for "mCSPC," or metastatic castration-sensitive prostate cancer -- a type of prostate cancer that has spread to other parts of the body and still responds to hormone therapy.
If I were you, I will ask my oncologist why I need double therapy when I'm not metastatic. I was Gleason 7 (3+4) on three of 14 cores, Gleason (0+2) on four cores, intermediate risk. I had 5-fraction SBRT in April 2025. My RO prescribed for me Orgovyx only. I'm on my fourth month now, RO said that we would see if I could get off Orgovyx after 8 or 12 months. I have read in some posts in this support group that six months ADT is about standard; I'm inclined to tell my RO that I want to stop ADT after 8 months, and not over treat.

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I’m going to be doing the 5 fraction SBRT salvage radiation soon. How did it go for you? My RO wants me to on ADT for two years, I’d rather do 6 months.

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I’m going to be doing the 5 fraction SBRT salvage radiation soon. How did it go for you? My RO wants me to on ADT for two years, I’d rather do 6 months.

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Do you want to have a long life? It’s recommended for two years because your cancer is aggressive. If you don’t stick to those two years, you can almost guarantee you’re going to have a reoccurrence.

Cancer can be really painful if you let it grow. Staying on ADT is not going to kill you but stopping It may Shorten your life a lot. I’ve been on ADT for eight years, I don’t like it, but it keeps me alive.

I attend Weekly advanced prostate cancer meetings at Ancan.org. They’ve been giving advice to people who have prostate cancer for 15 years. One thing they have found is that people who do what you are saying you want to do are the ones that live the shortest lives, And have their cancer come back and be aggressive. People come in frequently asking to shorten the amount of time they are on ADT, It’s seldom advisable, Their years of experience helping people have confirmed that fact.

You’ve already had one reoccurrence, Do you really want a second, sooner than it has to be.

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I’m going to be doing the 5 fraction SBRT salvage radiation soon. How did it go for you? My RO wants me to on ADT for two years, I’d rather do 6 months.

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My SBRT went well. I was worried if I was well prepared for my second treatment; I asked after treatment if there was a problem, I was told that everything went well. On the third session, I was asked if I experience "burning urination." No. However, after I completed all 5 treatments, I noticed some mucus and traces of blood in my stool. I reported to my oncologist but apparently, it wasn't a cause for concern; it cleared after a few days. Regarding ADT, I'm now on 4th month in Orgovyx. My first PSA test will be on July 8, then November. My oncologist will advise if I can be off Orgovyx after 8 or 12 months. I was Gleason 7 (3+4) on three cores out of 14 samples, (0+2) on four, (0,0) on seven, intermediate risk, early stage 2. What was your Gleason score and Stage? Offhand, Jeff indicated yours may be aggressive, reason for recommending two years ADT. I will yield to my oncologist's recommendation, whether 8 or 12 months for me.

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