How long will Lupron work before prostate cancer becomes resistant?

Posted by bruningk @bruningk, Apr 30, 2024

After radiation my PC is considered incurable and I’m on Lupron for the rest of my life. I realize it will become less effective over time and just want some ideas about how long will the Lupron work. It is able to send my PSA back to .05. I get an injection in the belly every 3 months and after the third injection, Oncologist gave me a short break off the treatment. After three months off psa still .05. After six months off still .05. I just checked again after 9 months off and I’m now .39, a substantial increase from three months prior. I’m back on the Lupron and hoping it sends me back to where I was before the break. I guess since my Oncologist is hesitant to give any timing on all this, I would like to know how long before I have to add some other type of treatment to extend my life. No metastasis yet thankfully.

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@bruningk

I Don’t want to give the wrong idea, I’m willing to play the hand I’m dealt as long as I can. I’m just worried that for the next few years that im involved in non curative therapy I really should be looking elsewhere for an actual cure. We are all aware this type of therapy, ADT, is good medicine and should give me many years as my doc says, it still has an end. I’m 65 and want no less than 20 more years. How do I get it is the million dollar question!

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You need to ask you doctor. Some doctor like Dr. Eugene Kwon aim for cure. Other doctors like Dr. Scholz seems also aim for the same. He seems to believe it is achievable, but not in every case.
Also look at the records.
Dont mind me. I am just another layman trying to make some sense of the whole thing.

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@bruningk

I Don’t want to give the wrong idea, I’m willing to play the hand I’m dealt as long as I can. I’m just worried that for the next few years that im involved in non curative therapy I really should be looking elsewhere for an actual cure. We are all aware this type of therapy, ADT, is good medicine and should give me many years as my doc says, it still has an end. I’m 65 and want no less than 20 more years. How do I get it is the million dollar question!

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My medical oncologist thinks there can e a cure. His first suggestion was surprising - SBRT, not Combination hormonal therapy. He said the hormonal therapy will only keep it at bay, but he wanted to go for the kill (possible cure) with radiation. Thirty six IBRT Radiation sessions gave me acute/chronic bleeding bladder, urinary retention, anemia, urethral obstruction, and incontinence. Now I have to get opinions in how effective, how accurate and how risky 3-5 sessions of this alleged pinpoint targeting SBRT really is.

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@lsk1000

My medical oncologist thinks there can e a cure. His first suggestion was surprising - SBRT, not Combination hormonal therapy. He said the hormonal therapy will only keep it at bay, but he wanted to go for the kill (possible cure) with radiation. Thirty six IBRT Radiation sessions gave me acute/chronic bleeding bladder, urinary retention, anemia, urethral obstruction, and incontinence. Now I have to get opinions in how effective, how accurate and how risky 3-5 sessions of this alleged pinpoint targeting SBRT really is.

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Latest/best practice for metastatic cancer is to do both: a high dose of radiation to the prostate (and individual metastases if oligometastatic) to "go in for the kill", _and_ ADT + ARSI to keep down any individual cancer cells that the radiation missed. If polymetastatic, then toss in chemo, too. And they're currently researching introducing Pluvicto at an earlier stage as well (though it's still in trial for that, I think).

This is a big shift from just a few years ago, when they figured metastatic prostate cancer was incurable, so they'd try one treatment at a time, moving to the next when it failed, with the goal of keeping you alive and comfortable for your final couple of years. 🙁

Now the approach is more shock-and-awe: hit that f***er hard with everything they've got, all at once, with the goal of overwhelming it. It won't always work (yet), but at least we have a very reasonable hope now of long-term survival now, even at stage 4.

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@northoftheborder

Latest/best practice for metastatic cancer is to do both: a high dose of radiation to the prostate (and individual metastases if oligometastatic) to "go in for the kill", _and_ ADT + ARSI to keep down any individual cancer cells that the radiation missed. If polymetastatic, then toss in chemo, too. And they're currently researching introducing Pluvicto at an earlier stage as well (though it's still in trial for that, I think).

This is a big shift from just a few years ago, when they figured metastatic prostate cancer was incurable, so they'd try one treatment at a time, moving to the next when it failed, with the goal of keeping you alive and comfortable for your final couple of years. 🙁

Now the approach is more shock-and-awe: hit that f***er hard with everything they've got, all at once, with the goal of overwhelming it. It won't always work (yet), but at least we have a very reasonable hope now of long-term survival now, even at stage 4.

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Thanks for the reply. I don’t think/don’t know if I’m considered metastatic.
- Post prostatectomy,
- post IMRT salvage radiation,
- post Lupron for 2 years.
PSA rose .014 to .53 in 21 months, so doubled a couple of times. Cancer activity suspected in right vas deferens only above bladder. Considering havoc radiation caused before, and that my bladder wall is thickened already, I’m reluctant to jump in without some strong opinion the radiation will not cause more major damage.

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@lsk1000

Thanks for the reply. I don’t think/don’t know if I’m considered metastatic.
- Post prostatectomy,
- post IMRT salvage radiation,
- post Lupron for 2 years.
PSA rose .014 to .53 in 21 months, so doubled a couple of times. Cancer activity suspected in right vas deferens only above bladder. Considering havoc radiation caused before, and that my bladder wall is thickened already, I’m reluctant to jump in without some strong opinion the radiation will not cause more major damage.

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No, you're not metastatic (from that description). You might be a good candidate for an ADT holiday to give your body time to recover, especially if your onco is recommending it.

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@northoftheborder

No, you're not metastatic (from that description). You might be a good candidate for an ADT holiday to give your body time to recover, especially if your onco is recommending it.

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Thank you! It turns out my cancer was located in my prostate only and I elected to have Cryo ablation and am now cancer free!!!

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