Have you been told no to hrt if you are 10+ years post menopause?

Posted by gravity3 @gravity3, May 16, 2024

Starting hrt 10 years post menopause and the flawed Women's health initiative study.
I have been told no and yet the current findings seem to indicate that hrt can still help.

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@mayblin

I’m 11 years past menopause. Have been told “yes” by two cardiologists, one of them specializes women’s cardiac health. Gyn and pcp are okay with it, endo is okay with it if everyone on the team agrees. Will see a post menopausal specialist for further evaluation and consultation.

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Just went to a "certified menopause" specialist at Hopkins. Ha. He kept discussing the WHI from 2002. He told me progersterone caused bloating. Both wrong. He says he agrees that estrogen is beneficial but since I am 12 years post-menopause it will put me at increased risk. What about the risk of not taking it in the next 20 years? I sent him a Menopause Society article that is more recent. I don't think he was up-to-date on the latest studies so that was not very helpful. This is crazy-making.

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@pattiel

Just went to a "certified menopause" specialist at Hopkins. Ha. He kept discussing the WHI from 2002. He told me progersterone caused bloating. Both wrong. He says he agrees that estrogen is beneficial but since I am 12 years post-menopause it will put me at increased risk. What about the risk of not taking it in the next 20 years? I sent him a Menopause Society article that is more recent. I don't think he was up-to-date on the latest studies so that was not very helpful. This is crazy-making.

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Crazy making I deed!! I can relate. And it is infuriating.

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@prarysky

May I ask what newer research supports the use of HRT starting at any age? My understanding based on the research I''d seen several years ago (not the flawed WHI research which was misinterpreted by so many) was that it was unsafe to start HRT more than 10 years after menopause.

Among our limited choices for safe approaches to osteoporosis, I've considered bioidentical HRT to be the best, so regretted the advice to avoid if more than 10 years past menopause. It's like money in the bank for our bones and joints, our brains, and more. Unfortunately, I am 25 years post menopause so never considered it an option. I am currently treating breast cancer and have afib. Chemo and the next part of treatment (aromatase inhibitor) will definitely affect bones. Have osteopenia now and oncologist is already recommending the need for using an osteoporosis drug like zometa.

Kisu, I'm so encouraged that your cardiologist gave you the green light on HRT. Did s/he know about the research or did you have to educate them about it?

Thank you! And wishing some positive outcomes to all trying HRT!

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Check out menopause.org and anything by Dr. Marie Claire Haver. A ton of gyns on Youtube are also talking about it.

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@gravity3

No more senile purpura/purple bruises.
Almost no urine leaks now
I have my libido back!!!
Clearer thinking.
More energy.
Cleared up vaginal dryness and atrophy.
These are some of the improvements.

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Wow gravity3 that's wonderful; these are all things that "after a certain age" we can pretty much count on. Would love to get rid of these symptoms...

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@ashash

I'm in the same boat, a decade older than you, and very interested in what your decision will be. Best of outcomes to you, and please keep us posted!

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I am 70. Went to a GYNO got BHRT, because I still have menopause symptoms. I am on Activella. The Dr said we can try it for a year. I will try to convince to let me stay on it. It has eliminated all my menopause symptoms. I hope it will do something for my bones. We will see in a year.

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@prarysky

May I ask what newer research supports the use of HRT starting at any age? My understanding based on the research I''d seen several years ago (not the flawed WHI research which was misinterpreted by so many) was that it was unsafe to start HRT more than 10 years after menopause.

Among our limited choices for safe approaches to osteoporosis, I've considered bioidentical HRT to be the best, so regretted the advice to avoid if more than 10 years past menopause. It's like money in the bank for our bones and joints, our brains, and more. Unfortunately, I am 25 years post menopause so never considered it an option. I am currently treating breast cancer and have afib. Chemo and the next part of treatment (aromatase inhibitor) will definitely affect bones. Have osteopenia now and oncologist is already recommending the need for using an osteoporosis drug like zometa.

Kisu, I'm so encouraged that your cardiologist gave you the green light on HRT. Did s/he know about the research or did you have to educate them about it?

Thank you! And wishing some positive outcomes to all trying HRT!

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Prarsky, it's understandable to feel concerned about managing your health.
While some MHT research papers can be hard to access (because of pay walls), many healthcare professionals are dedicated to sharing the latest advancements. There have been significant updates to Menopausal Hormone Therapy (MHT) in the past year, offering more personalized options.
It sounds like you're exploring all avenues for your well-being. Since MHT isn't an option for you right now to use for your osteopenia, focusing on treatments like Zometa for your osteopenia is a proactive step to keep it from worsening during your chemo.
It's also true that chemotherapy can sometimes lead to genitourinary syndrome of menopause (GSM) symptoms. The good news is that local vaginal hormones might be an option for you if you need them after your chemotherapy is complete, offering relief and improving your comfort.
You're taking positive steps to manage your health and searching for the many resources and treatments available to support you.
If you're interested, put these titles on YouTube

Rethinking Timing of Hormones with Dr. Corinne Menn episode 291

New GSM Guidelines Every Physician Should Know Dr Kelly Casperson MD

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I just received this Medscape article on HRT which refers to the flawed WHI from 2002 still often followed by physicians and even still taught at some medical schools especially in the U.S. I thought this would be of particular interest to members whose physicians are reluctant to prescribe HRT.https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/when-ms-meets-menopause-it-time-rethink-hrt-2025a1000epj?ecd=wnl_sci_tech_250604_MSCPEDIT_etid7473401&uac=360685MZ&impID=7473401

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@pattiel

Check out menopause.org and anything by Dr. Marie Claire Haver. A ton of gyns on Youtube are also talking about it.

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Thank you Pattiel: I will look at those references.

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@kisu

Prarsky, it's understandable to feel concerned about managing your health.
While some MHT research papers can be hard to access (because of pay walls), many healthcare professionals are dedicated to sharing the latest advancements. There have been significant updates to Menopausal Hormone Therapy (MHT) in the past year, offering more personalized options.
It sounds like you're exploring all avenues for your well-being. Since MHT isn't an option for you right now to use for your osteopenia, focusing on treatments like Zometa for your osteopenia is a proactive step to keep it from worsening during your chemo.
It's also true that chemotherapy can sometimes lead to genitourinary syndrome of menopause (GSM) symptoms. The good news is that local vaginal hormones might be an option for you if you need them after your chemotherapy is complete, offering relief and improving your comfort.
You're taking positive steps to manage your health and searching for the many resources and treatments available to support you.
If you're interested, put these titles on YouTube

Rethinking Timing of Hormones with Dr. Corinne Menn episode 291

New GSM Guidelines Every Physician Should Know Dr Kelly Casperson MD

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Thank you Kisu. My breast cancer negates trying MHT even if the current research suggests you can use it safety beyond 10 years post menopause. I hope younger women today, especially those in peri-menopause, are being advised by their PCPs or gynecologists in advance about the benefits of careful use of MHT using the most current research. That information can help guide them through their decisions.

I will look at those YouTube references you provided.

Thank you again!

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I did get told 'no' by a youngish male ObGYN, but since I'm a doctor myself, and know better, I ordered the hormones myself. It's criminal how Women's health issues are woefully misunderstood. I was like, "Hello! I may be 70, but I still like having sex and I don't want my skeleton to crumble." This young ObGYN was probably in med school when the completely flawed and discredited Women's Health Initiative study came out. It turns out, estrogen is critical for healthy bones. The young male ObGYN said, "I have seen too much cancer." Well, a LOT of things cause cancer. Not to downplay the horror of getting breast cancer, but I told him, "Let's see? What do I need more? My breasts or a functioning skeleton, so I can stand upright without crippling pain? I think I'll choose my skeleton." Note: this was after having a compression fracture in my spine and finding out that SURPRISE! You have osteoporosis!) I'll take my chances and get regular mammograms.

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