Hashimoto's Disease

Posted by suerte @suerte, Feb 28 10:43am

Just recently through a routine blood test I was diagnosed with "hypothyroidism" which is an underperforming thyroid. High TSH levels. I was put on Levothyroxine and now my thyroid TSH level is back in the normal range.
I have numerous overactive autoimmune systems issues when doing a search for the impact of autoimmune system on the thyroid I came upon this information.
Hashimoto's Disease
Hashimoto's disease, also known as chronic lymphocytic thyroiditis, is an autoimmune disorder that affects the thyroid gland. It is the most common cause of hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid).
Causes
In Hashimoto's disease, the immune system mistakenly attacks the thyroid gland, leading to inflammation and damage. This damage reduces the thyroid's ability to produce thyroid hormones.

The internet is a dangerous place, and you can diagnose yourself with all kinds of disease. I have no idea if I have Hashimoto's, but only post this to wonder if anyone has actually been diagnosed.

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@cjozwiak

My thyroid levels are normal but they checked for Hashimotos and my levels were off the charts. It’s supposed to be 100 or less. Mine is 1000. They said there is nothing they can do until my thyroid finally dies. Then they can give me medication. I don’t understand this logic. Have them do the blood test for Hoshimotos.

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Hashimoto's Thyroiditis is an autoimmune disease. In Hashimoto's, the immune system is attacking the thyroid gland. Specific lab testing will present with immune cells in the thyroid. Immune cells should not be in the thyroid gland. These immune cells attack the thyroid gland and cause damage to it and cause the thyroid to become enlarged. The damage to the thyroid will continue until the thyroid is treated with medication.
In addition, Hashimoto's causes a low TSH level and a high level of antibodies.
Also, the free T-3 and T-4 levels will be low.
( In measuring the TSH level, the higher the number, the lower the TSH level is) For example, a TSH level of 5.0 is considered low. In comparison, a high TSH level, the lower the number will be, such as 1.0.
There are five stages in Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. If the thyroid is not treated with medication,the immune cells in the thyroid will cause a progression of the damage to the thyroid. In stage five, the damage to the thyroid is extreme. Eventually, the thyroid will be irreversibly damaged.
The thyroid will stop functioning.
Unfortunately, most patients with Hashimoto's will fail to be diagnosed until stage 3.
Hashimoto's "may" cause the TSH level to go from a hypothyroid state to a hyperthyroid state. If this occurs, the TSH level will always go back to a hypothyroid state in Hashimoto's.
A "normal" TSH level for one person, may not be normal for another individual.
A patients symptoms are a good indicator of an abnormal TSH level etc....
Hypothyroidism generally causes fatigue, weight gain, brain fog, and in some people it will cause a lot of bodily pain.
Of course, everyone is different.

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@radinski

I have both hypothyroidism and Hashimoto disease. When first diagnosed in ‘23, my TPO levels were just over 100. TSH levels were around 200. T3and T4 were and always have always been normal, up to the last labs taken. There were nodules as well, confirmed by an ultrasound. At the time, I was going to a specialty clinic and the doctor prescribed Armor 30. It was not effective. I remained fatigued. For about a year, we tried different strengths; 60, which affected my heart and caused palpitations. Then I was put on 45, which was 90 split in half. Still no improvement with fatigue. Within that year, I was put on Levothyroxine 100 mcg, then 112. Still no change by late May. Apparently I was over medicated and the higher doses caused weight loss and that is when my TSH levels crashed to 0.01.
Currently, I am on 50 mcg, which showed normal labs; TSH 1.35, in December and my PCP felt no nodules during my last physical but since around early winter I have been getting fatigued and have decreased energy. I’ve about resigned to being stuck here, but am not happy. I would like to know if a “normal” TSH level, according to my doctor is actually too low for me and if it increased would I feel better. Also, what causes the fatigue, high TPO, or low TSH, or both since they affect the thyroid.

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I have had hypothyroidism since 1991 and after having covid in 2020 it escalated to hashimotos and then Thyroid Eye Disease.... my thyroid meds have changed 15 or 20 times since 2020 and now I take two thyroid meds and get checked every 6 months... some of your symptoms will improve with some exercise and determination. Hang in there❣️

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@radinski

I have both hypothyroidism and Hashimoto disease. When first diagnosed in ‘23, my TPO levels were just over 100. TSH levels were around 200. T3and T4 were and always have always been normal, up to the last labs taken. There were nodules as well, confirmed by an ultrasound. At the time, I was going to a specialty clinic and the doctor prescribed Armor 30. It was not effective. I remained fatigued. For about a year, we tried different strengths; 60, which affected my heart and caused palpitations. Then I was put on 45, which was 90 split in half. Still no improvement with fatigue. Within that year, I was put on Levothyroxine 100 mcg, then 112. Still no change by late May. Apparently I was over medicated and the higher doses caused weight loss and that is when my TSH levels crashed to 0.01.
Currently, I am on 50 mcg, which showed normal labs; TSH 1.35, in December and my PCP felt no nodules during my last physical but since around early winter I have been getting fatigued and have decreased energy. I’ve about resigned to being stuck here, but am not happy. I would like to know if a “normal” TSH level, according to my doctor is actually too low for me and if it increased would I feel better. Also, what causes the fatigue, high TPO, or low TSH, or both since they affect the thyroid.

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When I was prescribed Armour for Hypothyroidism, I developed heart and blood pressure fluctuations every 15 minutes that eventually hospitalized me. My physician decided that Armour was too hard to regulate and prescribed Levothyroxine instead. She retired soon after this. Within a year, I was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis in my hands. I was prescribed immune suppressants and other heavy duty meds. I work in nursing facilities, so this was concerning as my exposure rate for everything was high. Eventually, the NP, not the Rheumatologist, agreed to test me for Hashimotos. My sister had been diagnosed, and I had repeatedly requested testing. I tested positive but was treated the same. I ran out of the levothyroxine near Christmas and decided to use up the left over Armour. The arthritis in my hands stopped hurting and stopped progressing within 2 weeks. I now take a compound prescribed through a functional medicine RNP under supervision of the physician at the group. It works, but has to be adjusted regularly. Both of my daughters have normal TSH and have been tested for and diagnosed with Hashimotos. Chronic fatigue, brain fog and painful feet were the symptoms we all experienced first. We all made the statement as we progressed with the disease that we felt like human slugs. This has become a generational war for us.

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@lud60

When I was prescribed Armour for Hypothyroidism, I developed heart and blood pressure fluctuations every 15 minutes that eventually hospitalized me. My physician decided that Armour was too hard to regulate and prescribed Levothyroxine instead. She retired soon after this. Within a year, I was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis in my hands. I was prescribed immune suppressants and other heavy duty meds. I work in nursing facilities, so this was concerning as my exposure rate for everything was high. Eventually, the NP, not the Rheumatologist, agreed to test me for Hashimotos. My sister had been diagnosed, and I had repeatedly requested testing. I tested positive but was treated the same. I ran out of the levothyroxine near Christmas and decided to use up the left over Armour. The arthritis in my hands stopped hurting and stopped progressing within 2 weeks. I now take a compound prescribed through a functional medicine RNP under supervision of the physician at the group. It works, but has to be adjusted regularly. Both of my daughters have normal TSH and have been tested for and diagnosed with Hashimotos. Chronic fatigue, brain fog and painful feet were the symptoms we all experienced first. We all made the statement as we progressed with the disease that we felt like human slugs. This has become a generational war for us.

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lud60, thank you for sharing. Apparently, the thyroid is a bit tricky to regulate. Since it regulates every cell, no wonder there are so many other things that throws the body off. I can relate to the feeling like a slug. That is a good way to describe it! My NP shared that her 6 y/o niece has thyroid disease and that they’ve had a difficult time regulating her. They actually give her different strength dosages weekly to bi-weekly.

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@bereese

I have had hypothyroidism since 1991 and after having covid in 2020 it escalated to hashimotos and then Thyroid Eye Disease.... my thyroid meds have changed 15 or 20 times since 2020 and now I take two thyroid meds and get checked every 6 months... some of your symptoms will improve with some exercise and determination. Hang in there❣️

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bereese, thank you for sharing. I wish that I even felt determined to exercise!

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@lud60

When I was prescribed Armour for Hypothyroidism, I developed heart and blood pressure fluctuations every 15 minutes that eventually hospitalized me. My physician decided that Armour was too hard to regulate and prescribed Levothyroxine instead. She retired soon after this. Within a year, I was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis in my hands. I was prescribed immune suppressants and other heavy duty meds. I work in nursing facilities, so this was concerning as my exposure rate for everything was high. Eventually, the NP, not the Rheumatologist, agreed to test me for Hashimotos. My sister had been diagnosed, and I had repeatedly requested testing. I tested positive but was treated the same. I ran out of the levothyroxine near Christmas and decided to use up the left over Armour. The arthritis in my hands stopped hurting and stopped progressing within 2 weeks. I now take a compound prescribed through a functional medicine RNP under supervision of the physician at the group. It works, but has to be adjusted regularly. Both of my daughters have normal TSH and have been tested for and diagnosed with Hashimotos. Chronic fatigue, brain fog and painful feet were the symptoms we all experienced first. We all made the statement as we progressed with the disease that we felt like human slugs. This has become a generational war for us.

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I just have one question for you. When you were diagnosed with Hashimoto’s, did your physician recommend you stop eating gluten, dairy and soy? I purchased a book written by Izabella Wentz, M.D. who suggests to stop eating those 3 things to get you started. It takes body inflammation way down. It’s a simple way to feel better and it works. You probably also have other food sensitivities, for which you can have a blood test done. Good luck!

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@dlydailyhope

@suerte
I have Hashimoto’s and hypothyroidism. I had a large nodule on my right lobe and had it removed because it was suspicious (it ended up being benign but they did find a micro cancer).

Hashimoto’s is known to cause nodules. Did you have an ultrasound of your thyroid to check for nodules?

The way Hashimoto’s is diagnosed is not through TSH levels alone. It is diagnosed through TPO autoantibodies showing up in your bloodwork. Hypothyroidism is diagnosed through TSH (high) and T3/T4 levels.

I had “normal” TSH levels but did not feel normal. I did not feel well if my TSH went over 1.0 and the “normal” TSH range can go up to 5.0! When I had my lobectomy, my TSH started to go over 2, then 3 and then 4 before my levothyroxine was increased from 88 mcg to 100 mcg. I felt like a zombie and could not get out of bed because I was so weak and tired. What is “normal” for some is not normal for all. It is better to see historical TSH levels where you felt better and see what levels show when you started to feel lousy.

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Hi! This sounds exactly like what I’ve been going through. I had a right hemithyroidectomy for a benign nodule a year ago and have been extremely sick since. I found out at the time of surgery I have Hashimotos, though I previously didnmt have symptoms. My TSH went above 8 post surgery. I went on levothyroxine for a few weeks and became very ill, then went off meds and my TSH naturally lowered over time. It’s now at 3.5 and my Hashimotos antibodies have interestingly also lowered, but I feel unwell constantly. I’m dizzy, have internal tremors, exhausted, vertigo, nausea, weak and achey. My year has been a right off with intense and terrifying symptoms with heart rate increasing out of nowhere, temp dysregulation among other things . I have been in EE 8 times, and seen multiple specialists due to so many symptoms. Did you experience any side effects from the levothyroxine? I feel that endocrinologists have no idea about treating symptoms and only defer to numbers. I have been told my symptoms are ‘unusual’ and that I am a complex and mysterious case. I feel like no doctor will be able to help me.

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@lud60

When I was prescribed Armour for Hypothyroidism, I developed heart and blood pressure fluctuations every 15 minutes that eventually hospitalized me. My physician decided that Armour was too hard to regulate and prescribed Levothyroxine instead. She retired soon after this. Within a year, I was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis in my hands. I was prescribed immune suppressants and other heavy duty meds. I work in nursing facilities, so this was concerning as my exposure rate for everything was high. Eventually, the NP, not the Rheumatologist, agreed to test me for Hashimotos. My sister had been diagnosed, and I had repeatedly requested testing. I tested positive but was treated the same. I ran out of the levothyroxine near Christmas and decided to use up the left over Armour. The arthritis in my hands stopped hurting and stopped progressing within 2 weeks. I now take a compound prescribed through a functional medicine RNP under supervision of the physician at the group. It works, but has to be adjusted regularly. Both of my daughters have normal TSH and have been tested for and diagnosed with Hashimotos. Chronic fatigue, brain fog and painful feet were the symptoms we all experienced first. We all made the statement as we progressed with the disease that we felt like human slugs. This has become a generational war for us.

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The painful feet! I have had this too for almost a year and no doctors take note of this symptom. I tried levothyroxine and it sent me to ER causing heart fluctuations and intense brain sensations and feelings of passing out. What is the compound thyroid you take now that helps? Is it a T3 and T4 ?

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@fionalauren

Hi! This sounds exactly like what I’ve been going through. I had a right hemithyroidectomy for a benign nodule a year ago and have been extremely sick since. I found out at the time of surgery I have Hashimotos, though I previously didnmt have symptoms. My TSH went above 8 post surgery. I went on levothyroxine for a few weeks and became very ill, then went off meds and my TSH naturally lowered over time. It’s now at 3.5 and my Hashimotos antibodies have interestingly also lowered, but I feel unwell constantly. I’m dizzy, have internal tremors, exhausted, vertigo, nausea, weak and achey. My year has been a right off with intense and terrifying symptoms with heart rate increasing out of nowhere, temp dysregulation among other things . I have been in EE 8 times, and seen multiple specialists due to so many symptoms. Did you experience any side effects from the levothyroxine? I feel that endocrinologists have no idea about treating symptoms and only defer to numbers. I have been told my symptoms are ‘unusual’ and that I am a complex and mysterious case. I feel like no doctor will be able to help me.

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@fionalauren
I feel for you and know how you feel. Before surgery, I noticed difficulty swallowing and speaking which improved after surgery. Before surgery, my TSH was within normal range but after lobectomy, I started to feel like a zombie and could not get out of bed. I felt so sick and extremely exhausted. My TSH peaked about 4.5-5 and even though within the “normal” range, I felt anything but normal.

Do you know what your TSH level was when you felt better and before surgery? My TSH at or below 1.0 is my “normal.” I’m wondering if your negative reactions was not necessarily from levothyroxine and more due to the hypothyroidism post surgery. You may want to try levothyroxine again at lower dosage and gradually build up until your TSH lands within your “normal” range. They started me at 88 mcg after surgery and then increased to 100 mcg. What dosage did they prescribe for you after surgery?

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@dlydailyhope

@fionalauren
I feel for you and know how you feel. Before surgery, I noticed difficulty swallowing and speaking which improved after surgery. Before surgery, my TSH was within normal range but after lobectomy, I started to feel like a zombie and could not get out of bed. I felt so sick and extremely exhausted. My TSH peaked about 4.5-5 and even though within the “normal” range, I felt anything but normal.

Do you know what your TSH level was when you felt better and before surgery? My TSH at or below 1.0 is my “normal.” I’m wondering if your negative reactions was not necessarily from levothyroxine and more due to the hypothyroidism post surgery. You may want to try levothyroxine again at lower dosage and gradually build up until your TSH lands within your “normal” range. They started me at 88 mcg after surgery and then increased to 100 mcg. What dosage did they prescribe for you after surgery?

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Hi, thanks for this. I was put onto the lowest levothyroxine dose of 25mcg post surgery. my TSH at it’s highest was around 8, but it normalised over time without meds. I don’t know what it was pre surgery but will look into that. either way, I am now at TSH of 3.5 and am not functioning. I also have Hashimotos which may explain many of the symptoms as inflammation can cause havoc on the body. The levothyroxine was definitely not right for me and sent me to ER with feeling like I was having a heart attack - I have read of others having similar experience.I am very medicine sensitive. Unsure if I should try NP Thyroid which is a natural desiccated hormone combo T3 + T4, which endocrinologists do not prescribe. I have been advised by functional medicine doctors a compound T3 + T4 would be a better route but at this stage after a year of such terrifying symptoms and no seeming clear answer I do not trust any doctors.

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