Stage 4 Pancreatic cancer and supporting my son's choices

Posted by davyjohn @davyjohn, Apr 22 1:33pm

My son is 55 and has stage 4 pancreatic cancer with no possibility of surgery. He has had 8 treatments of chemotherapy and is not tolerating it well. He has resigned himself to stopping the chemo so he can get quality of life versus quantity. We meet with the hospice nurse today. I want to support him as much as I can, but it scares me to think he would die in a matter of months. He is planning to use holistic herbal therapy to give himself a better quality of life. I’m afraid to follow him in this decision, but understand that this is his life not mine. What do you think?

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@suelannon , sorry for the slow reply; I've been out of town a couple days.

Dealing w/ pancan since initial stage-II diagnosis 3 1/2 years ago. Six months of Folfirinox, then had the Whipple 3 years ago, reported all clear post-op, but had a recurrence that went metastatic 4 months after that. I've been on Gem/Abrax/Cisplatin the last 2.5 years with good control, except for the 4-month clinical trial break during which the disease advanced rapidly.

I only took "a tiny dose" of Ivermectin (12 mg) on chemo day in January and February, which was once every two weeks, and experienced no side effects, but my CA19-9 remained stable under 100 during that little two-month experiment. My CA19-9 has risen to about 500 in the two months since I stopped, and MRI this week found evidence of disease progression. Despite some correlation, I can NOT claim this is clear cause and effect -- it was not a well-controlled experiment, and I can identify several factors that may have had a role in my status changing.

Regarding dosing, the above amount (12 mg) comes to 0.16 mg / kg given my body mass of approximately 72 kg. And to repeat, that's only once every two weeks.

Some of the biggest Ivermectin proponents on the web are pushing doses of 1-2 mg/kg (which would be 72 mg - 144 mg every day; yes, that's 6-12 times the dose I took, and 14 times more often, so it's a significant increase with all sorts of potential side effects.

Some of the biggest Ivermectin proponents on the web also appear on https://quackwatch.org/ , so beware!

Since I have ZERO MEDICAL TRAINING, I won't recommend this to anyone, FULL STOP!

I've run into obstacles getting my own prescription refilled, so I have ZERO experience with it other than the small dose and short-term use cited above.

But I'm also running into obstacles with clinical trial applications, and being stage-IV with disease progression and chemo resistance, I remain open-minded about taking the risk FOR MYSELF, and I commit to posting the good, the bad, and the ugly if I get that far.

Stay tuned! 🙂

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Thank you for the response regarding Ivermectin. My Son hasn’t started anything other than some herbal tinctures. I would honestly like to know how a person gets the right Ivermectin.

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@davyjohn

Thank you for the response regarding Ivermectin. My Son hasn’t started anything other than some herbal tinctures. I would honestly like to know how a person gets the right Ivermectin.

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@davyjohn , I think the answer to that would be via prescription from a licensed MD/DO and a reputable pharmacy, but not from a veterinarian, alternative medicine practitioner, or website.

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God is Love and He is calling your son home. Embrace this decision by your son. He does it out of love for himself and for those who support him and surround him. Meet your son with a smile and a hug rooted in the confidence that this decision is rooted in God's love for us. Peace be with you and your son.

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