Supplements during chemotherapy

Posted by beebe @beebe, Apr 1 12:17pm

Has anyone used berberine during Chemotherapy? It may lower blood sugar levels, thin blood, kill some gut bacteria (some good and some bad bacteria are affected). Berberine exhibits multiple anticancer mechanisms, including reducing cancer cell growth, preventing metastasis, and inducing apoptosis. It may also enhance the effects of other cancer treatments, by sensitizing cells to chemotherapeutic drugs via interactions with DNA repair proteins.
It can strengthen contractions in people with congestive heart failure, increase bilirubin levels causing yellowing of the skin, and lower blood pressure.
The cancer killing aspects sound great, some of the side effects, not so much.
I am interested in any other supplements that might be of benefit during chemotherapy. My oncologist has only cautioned me not to take curcumin.

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Prior to introducing any new supplements to my diet, I check each one with my cancer pharmacist to see whether they are approved or not.

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I’m very interested in this question about supplements. When I was receiving chemo I was concerned that adding supplements would put more burden on the liver, which was already working hard metabolize the cancer drugs…but that was just a gut instinct and not per advice of any doctor. Curious what others know about this.

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I'm on Gemcitabine + Abraxane + Cisplatin. I just found the email I received from my onco-pharmacist 2 years ago:

For interactions between the extensive supplement list and your chemotherapy, B vitamin components (includes pyroxidine (B6), thiamin (B1), riboflavin (B2), folate (B9), niacin (B3), pantothenic acid (B5)and biotin (B7) are OK. In general, any vitamins or minerals listed a 100% or less of daily recommended requirements are OK.

Avoid any component listed as an antioxidant - this has the potential of reducing the efficacy of cisplatin. These include high levels of Vitamin E, Vitamin C, coenzyme Q, tumeric, and many others. In addition many of these components can add to any bleeding risk, and should be held if your platelets are low (good possibility for any one on gemcitabine, cisplatin and Abraxane).

An additional concern is interaction with enzymes that break down chemotherapy. This does not apply to cisplatin or gemcitabine, but does affect Abraxane. Abraxane is broken down and eliminated from the body with the activity of enzymes 2C8 and 3A4. Quercitin for example inhibits the activity of both these enzymes and could lead to a buildup of the drug (and higher side effects) in your body.

I would recommend holding supplement containing any of these components at levels greater than 100% while receiving gemcitabine, cisplatin, Abraxane.

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@markymarkfl

I'm on Gemcitabine + Abraxane + Cisplatin. I just found the email I received from my onco-pharmacist 2 years ago:

For interactions between the extensive supplement list and your chemotherapy, B vitamin components (includes pyroxidine (B6), thiamin (B1), riboflavin (B2), folate (B9), niacin (B3), pantothenic acid (B5)and biotin (B7) are OK. In general, any vitamins or minerals listed a 100% or less of daily recommended requirements are OK.

Avoid any component listed as an antioxidant - this has the potential of reducing the efficacy of cisplatin. These include high levels of Vitamin E, Vitamin C, coenzyme Q, tumeric, and many others. In addition many of these components can add to any bleeding risk, and should be held if your platelets are low (good possibility for any one on gemcitabine, cisplatin and Abraxane).

An additional concern is interaction with enzymes that break down chemotherapy. This does not apply to cisplatin or gemcitabine, but does affect Abraxane. Abraxane is broken down and eliminated from the body with the activity of enzymes 2C8 and 3A4. Quercitin for example inhibits the activity of both these enzymes and could lead to a buildup of the drug (and higher side effects) in your body.

I would recommend holding supplement containing any of these components at levels greater than 100% while receiving gemcitabine, cisplatin, Abraxane.

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Thanks for sharing, that is great information. I have a multivitamin which requires two tablets for the full dose and only take one. I will have to check it as I think even at 1/2 dose some of the multi-vitamin components will be over 100%.

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@markymarkfl

@beebe , Please push for these questions to be answered at a follow-up or by telephone sooner if necessary. One of the infusion nurses should be able to relay a question or two to the pharmacist or to your oncologist. Once you've gotten stuff established, you might also check to see if you have or can get a "portal" connection to them on the computer.

When I first started chemo, the oncology pharmacist set up an "orientation" phone call with me to provide info and Q&A time about my drugs. I got her phone number and email address for follow-ups, which was very helpful. She identified that a couple "basically friendly" supplements I had been taking could affect my CA19-9 test results or interfere with my chemo drugs. Definitely worthwhile!

I agree, the About Herbs site/app are basically just there for general education / familiarization, but might help you formulate the best questions for your specialists. Their time is so limited it can be hard for them to cover a bunch of random questions.

Good luck with your next infusion(s) and your recovery from the first! Noise-cancelling headphones and some good music (or at least a set of earplugs) are lifesavers, to distract from the beeping pumps if nothing else.

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Markymarkfl, Thanks for your encouragement to contact the pharmacist. Yesterday I Called the pharmacy which provides the chemo drugs for my infusions and talked with the pharmacist for at least 1/2 hour. He commented on a list of herbs I was wondering about and could not recommend Boswellia or black cumin seed oil. I will forgo it to be cautious but was interested in it due to its anti-inflammatory properties. He did say oncologists have access to more information than he does so they may be able to approve herbs that he cannot. It was an amazing talk, he was so kind, patient, and knowledgeable. We spent at least 1/2 hour talking and he was in no hurry to get off the phone!
My skin rash and itch have resolved just in time for the 2nd treatment. I expect to be tired after it kicks in as my red and white blood cells are now just below normal.
Thanks again for your input!

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@beebe

Thanks for your input, I will take my supplement list with me to my next infusion and ask the Nurse to check with the pharmacist. So far my doctor has not said no to anything besides curcumin which I have read interferes with the blood level readings for your liver.

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So much conflicting information everywhere - yes, to checking with one’s immediate care team. Also, we can read clinical study reports to become informed. The trouble is no one person holds all the knowledge so when are we limiting possibility over caution? Rhetorical.

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@dpfbanks

So much conflicting information everywhere - yes, to checking with one’s immediate care team. Also, we can read clinical study reports to become informed. The trouble is no one person holds all the knowledge so when are we limiting possibility over caution? Rhetorical.

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I totally agree with you, it is a shame that more research is not done on combining herbals with standard chemo as a way of limiting side effects from treatment and providing better outcomes.
My goal is to add herbals which won't make the chemo less effective or overburden my kidneys and liver. Integrative Oncologists are tough to find where I live, there is one Naturopathic Oncologist locally who is known for having a God attitude and pushing expensive treatments onto his patients like high dose Vitamin C infusions which I have read are not effective. It would be hard to trust someone with profit as their ulterior motive.

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@beebe

I totally agree with you, it is a shame that more research is not done on combining herbals with standard chemo as a way of limiting side effects from treatment and providing better outcomes.
My goal is to add herbals which won't make the chemo less effective or overburden my kidneys and liver. Integrative Oncologists are tough to find where I live, there is one Naturopathic Oncologist locally who is known for having a God attitude and pushing expensive treatments onto his patients like high dose Vitamin C infusions which I have read are not effective. It would be hard to trust someone with profit as their ulterior motive.

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I have read 2 books now about some of the approaches being used in Integrative Oncology - like repurposed medicines, lower dose chemo, etc. Its encouraging to see this area growing. The thinking seems to be that cancer is not only a genetic mutation, but also a metabolic disease. Attacking from both angles makes sense to me and I hope more of the things like adding Claritan to certain chemotherapy regimens to help with Neulasta bone pain (say nothing of the studies on histamines and cancer) and even low dose aspirin which has been shown to promote cell apoptosis and inhibit angiogenesis. We should learn about these things and ask about adding them to our 'standard' regimens.

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Ah, the Berberine dilemma. So many good studies about it promoting apoptosis and squelching side effects, and managing glucose that it almost seems a ‘no brainer’….but with chemo? One study (sorry I have a spreadsheet and can’t site right now) says it can promote the oxygen environment that cancer cells don’t like, ..So which way to go? Yes, I know talk to care team…

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@markymarkfl

@beebe , Please push for these questions to be answered at a follow-up or by telephone sooner if necessary. One of the infusion nurses should be able to relay a question or two to the pharmacist or to your oncologist. Once you've gotten stuff established, you might also check to see if you have or can get a "portal" connection to them on the computer.

When I first started chemo, the oncology pharmacist set up an "orientation" phone call with me to provide info and Q&A time about my drugs. I got her phone number and email address for follow-ups, which was very helpful. She identified that a couple "basically friendly" supplements I had been taking could affect my CA19-9 test results or interfere with my chemo drugs. Definitely worthwhile!

I agree, the About Herbs site/app are basically just there for general education / familiarization, but might help you formulate the best questions for your specialists. Their time is so limited it can be hard for them to cover a bunch of random questions.

Good luck with your next infusion(s) and your recovery from the first! Noise-cancelling headphones and some good music (or at least a set of earplugs) are lifesavers, to distract from the beeping pumps if nothing else.

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Wow, ever considered a chat with the pharmacist mixing up the chemo infusions! Great idea. This has never been mentioned by our team.

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