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Hey @rparsons, We all hear you, buddy! I think about this crap every GD day- when I wake up, when I look in the mirror, when I see young guys bopping around care-free… it reminds me what I’ve lost but then I think of others far worse off.
If you ever want to feel better about yourself and your situation, Google something like “Ukranian battle injuries”. Click on “images” and then sit back and watch the horror unfold.
You think WE lost something?? You think we are flawed? Guys 19 yrs old with all four limbs gone; no faces, no eyes… mutilated and forced to actually live like that in a country that no longer has sidewalks or hospitals, let alone handicapped ramps, motorized wheelchairs and support groups like this one.
We too, have lost something; we too, have suffered a catastrophic event which stays with us and won’t give us rest or peace…
But we didn’t lose it at 19. We can still SEE, walk, run, pick up a forkful of food and put it in an actual mouth and CHEW.
I’m really torn about posting something like this - and it’s surely NOT aimed at you, bud, but all of us - me especially cause I’ve been the worst at what you describe. Your post simply elicited some thoughts that have been swirling around in my confused and conflicted brain. We really need to reset our expectations, dammit!
We all love, love, LOVE @hans Casteels thoughts for the day; they really get to the nub of our feelings, our shared humiliations, our collective loss of manhood - all of it.
But there really IS another side to all this. I guess you’d have to call it perspective? Relative? Comparative?
Is our daily anxiety about our cancer returning really worth all this wasteful energy? Aren’t there people on this forum living that scary notion RIGHT NOW?? Living pretty good lives, to hear them tell it?
Would any of them trade any of their pain, suffering or side effects for no hands? No feet?
A dirty drinking straw for a catheter, because there weren’t any clean, sterile ones? I really don’t think so…I really don’t.
I’m not a fan of the word “blessed” because I straddle both the camps of atheism and agnosticism; so let’s say “fortunate” perhaps? Fortunate that we have a cancer that CAN be treated and CAN be stopped. Not cured, so boo-hoo…Fortunate that we live in a time that better, less invasive treatments are now offered…Fortunate that drugs like Orgovyx stop our cancer in its tracks and more are coming….
Fortunate that when we sit down at the dinner table tonight with our loved ones we can see their faces; that we can feed ourselves, that we can taste how good that food is and how that next episode of your favorite Netflix series is on in a half hour. Our lives are good!!
Think of all this - and then think of those poor mutilated soldiers; and then tell me what any of us have to be anxious or fearful about…
Apologies to @hans Casteels for any use of proprietary content I may have stolen in the construction of this purgative - and unasked for - tirade…
Best to All,
Phil

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Ah, Phil. Nothing like a casual breakfast scroll through war mutilation photos to remind us that our medically castrated, night-sweaty, libido-less, hormone-ravaged selves are actually fortunate. You're absolutely right — perspective is everything. Some people lose their limbs, and some of us just lose our testosterone, our dignity, and the will to watch another TED Talk on “Resilience.”

But we still have forks. And Netflix. So let’s all shut up and feel grateful, dammit.

Thanks for that Phil. I, too, have almost veered down the road of self pity, but upon further reflection, did a quick U turn and choose the road-if not blessed-at least fortunate. I had 68 years of good health and a great sex life; far more than some are given. And it's not over. Although I "suffer" from stress incontinence and climaturia (wife is not a fan), I have regained nocturnal erections to some degree and then there is the reliable Trimix.

My G9 cancer seems to be in a state of remission but I realize my next PSA check could change all of that. I have bounced around the 5 phases of grief and have come to at least a measure of acceptance. I occasionally backtrack and get a little angry now and again but mostly I have come to terms with it.

Your narrative of "others have it worse" somehow offers a little solace, although I take no joy in other's misery. I guess it's just a reminder that there are worse circumstances in life. I was talking to my life long friend and financial advisor last week and he delivered the news that his brother, in his early 60s, dropped dead of a heart attack. Then the next day I called one of the ERs to speak with one of the ER physicians about an issue and asked for either Dr. X or Y. "I'm sorry, didn't you hear? Dr. X died of a heart attack last Friday." Younger than me; both of them. So, the grim reaper comes for us all.

You mentioned the word "blessed". I, too used to bristle when I heard people use it and it wasn't a part of my vocabulary until the last few years. Being scientifically inclined, logical and rational (I hope!) in my thinking, the word blessed had vague connotations of mysticism for me. I guess you could have labelled me an agnostic; I just didn't give much thought to God. I was too busy living life, making money and raising a family.

Back about 10 years ago I began amateur study of Cosmology. I got the itch to understand how it all happened and we how we got here. Read a lot of books and looked at videos/lectures by leading astronomers. I won't go into details because this post is already longer than I intended, but the calculated odds of chance resulting in this Universe have been calculated to be so astronomical as to be virtually impossible. "Fine tuning" they call it. To get get around that little issue without invoking God, some cosmologists have invoked the Marvel infinite multiverse theory, of which there is zero scientific evidence. To quote the British astronomer Fred Hoyle "A common sense interpretation of facts suggest a super intellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as chemistry and biology, and there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature". BTW, Fred Hoyle was an atheist earlier in his life. He didn't embrace the Christian view of God but I'll let his quote stand on its own.

This scientific journey lead me to a faith in God. That faith in God has given me a measure of serenity and peace, and for that I am grateful-some would say blessed.