Better to be in some pain or better to up the dose of prednisone?
Thank you for all of the information and guidance provided by members of this group. It has been very helpful. I have been tapering down on the prednisone for nearly two months. There are times that I find the pain manageable and I can function, not optimally, but I function. My question is, is it better to tough it out with the pain as along as I can function, or would it be better to up my dosage, even marginally, and feel somewhat better? After all I've read from members of this group and from other sources, I am well aware of the very nasty side effects of this drug. The other question I have is this, if Kevzara or other biologics can treat PMR without the nasty side effects of Prednisone, why isn't that prescribed first? Again, thank you for all of your help.
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My rheumy wants me off prednisone (me too) so has prescribed tapering from 10mg, 1mg every 2 weeks and before that from 15mg, 2.5mg every 2 weeks. I had relief at 12.5 and some at 10mg.
She suggested I go on leflunomide and I declined that option because of side effects and bc I read it could take up to 2 years to leave my system. After reading others who had relief with hydroxychloroquine, I asked to try that which I’m presently on but so far no results.
I can safely say, I’m not in remission but still following docs orders with tapering although I may slow down the tapering to 1se a month. Dunno. I did read when someone went off prednisone, they went on ibuprofen with some relief. Before I was diagnosed (it took a few months to get an appointment), I was getting some relief on ibuprofen, that wasn’t much different than being on prednisone. Which is the worst of the 2 evils?
My CRP on 11/27 was 13 and I was on 15mg prednisone at the time
CRP on 1/14 was 6 and I was on 10mg prednisone
I originally started on 15 mg (Oct 31, 2014) but was upped to 20mg after 5 days of no significant improvement, then came down again 11/20 to 15mg and then 2.5mg every 2 weeks-to 12.5; 10mg, 7.5 up to 10mg, 7.5, 10, 9, 8, 9, 8, 7, 6, now on 5mg. Rheumy didn’t do blood work at my last visit which I should have asked for. Next time.
It’s feels like a roller coaster ride.
I have memories of leflunomide and it wasn't that bad. I actually reduced my Prednisone dose quite a bit. Unfortunately, I had recurring infections when I was on Prednisone + Leflunomide.
My rhematologist didn't blame leflunomide only for the infections. She said the infections were caused by "too much immunosuppression." She was more diplomatic about what medication caused the infections. She said Prednisone shared some of the blame too.
Prednisone doesn't stay in your system very long but depending on how long your adrenals have been suppressed it can take a long time to get off Prednisone.
Only leflunomide was stopped because prednisone couldn't be stopped abruptly because my adrenals wouldn't recover anytime soon. My rheumatologist did confirm leflunomide would stay in my system for a long time after she stopped it. I had to be very careful about acquiring another infection for about a year after the antibiotics were stopped.
I suggest only a half mg/month. If you still have PMR and you drop too fast you risk the possibility of a major flare. It depends how your flares present. Mine I can barely get out of a chair. I started KEVZARA in December.
The same thing applies to adrenal insufficiency from long term prednisone use. It wasn't the pain so much as the overwhelming fatigue. Anything remotely strenuous would completely wipe me out.
Kevzara won't suppress your adrenal function like prednisone does. It will still take some time for your adrenals to recover. The reason for a slow taper is more about adrenal function. Poor adrenal function and PMR flares felt basically the same. For me, it was the combination of PMR and adrenal suppression that explained why I could not taper off prednisone very quickly,
I was on Actemra but I assume Kevzara works basically the same way.
Thank you for sharing. I hope you’re doing fine now.
I’m very confused. I called another rheumatologist office for a second opinion. The first appointment is July 2. Ugh. I’m calling periodically to see if any appointments open up sooner.
It took me ten months to get my blood markers into the normal range. I am on a slow taper and the last week at 3mg I have had a lot of stiffness in my thighs which has responded well to stretching and exercise. Normal strategies for stiff muscles. It is reminiscent of PMR but I think it may just be my body readjusting to changes in cortisol production. I still have a stiffness in my fingers but it is not always the same fingers. I wiggle and stretch my fingers a lot hoping that motion will smooth things out. All in all I am feeling a lot better and stronger and will continue with my slow taper of 1mg per month.
Unfortunately even this fairly safe approach can often fail as we have no way of truly measuring whether remission is occurring. Even if the CRP/ESR drop back to normal (as mine have been on many occasions) it can only mean that the current dose of steroids is the correct dose to control the current level of PMR inflammation. As soon as you drop by even 0.5 mg, the symptoms will return if the level of PMR inflammation then exceeds the steroid dose.
So, let’s say “remission” is the situation where you can drop a level without experiencing PMR pain. Perhaps “control” would be a better term. My rheumy used “remission” after I went from 30 to 10 over a 3-month period while experiencing zero pain. My inflammatory markets were then normal. I then went from 10 to 5 at 1 per month with occasional transient non-PMR pains, and then to zero at 0.5 per month, again with only non-PMR issues.