Has anyone dealt successfully with Cervical stenosis without surgery?

Posted by billandri @billandri, Feb 3, 2019

I am a healthy and active 32 year old male. Last month I was diagnosed with cervical stenosis (C5-C6) after having morning finger numbness for 2 months. All 3 doctors I asked suggest surgery, either disk replacement or merging of spines. Has anyone dealt successfully with such conditions via non surgical means? Thank you.

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I had an injury to the the C5-C6 & C6-C7 levels in 2014 exacerbated by herniated discs due to 25 years of using a laptop computer.
Starting in January of 2025, I started having pain in my right shoulder radiating down my right bicep and arm. An MRI was ordered by the Pain Management Specialist. Based on the findings in the radiology report below, is surgery imperative or can it be elective?

Findings: The cervical vertebral bodies are normal in height and alignment with normal marrow signal. There is partial straightening of the cervical spine. No prevertebral soft tissue swelling is noted. There is no evidence of a cervical cord mass, syrinx or Chiari malformation. There is desiccation of the cervical disks.

At C2-C3, there is mild posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal or neuroforaminal stenosis is noted.

At C3-C4, there is disc osteophyte complex with broad-based posterior bulging of the disc. There is flattening of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. Mild central spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal narrowing secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C4-C5, there is central posterior bulging of the disc with focal effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. No overt spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate narrowing of the left neuroforamen secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C5-C6, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord with significant narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe neuroforaminal stenosis is noted secondary to combination of the disc and facet hypertrophy. Disc height is diminished.

At C6-C7, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with asymmetric narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal stenosis is noted. Disc height is markedly diminished.

At C7-T1 there is posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal stenosis is noted. Severe neuroforaminal narrowing is noted. There is loss of disc height.

Impression: Degenerative disc disease involving the cervical spine. Multilevel disc bulging with spinal and neuroforaminal stenoses at C3-C4, C5-C6 and C6-C7. Neuroforaminal narrowing at the other levels as described above. Partial straightening of the cervical spine which may be secondary to muscle spasm.

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It really depends on you and your level of pain tolerance you’re willing to put up with. You certainly have a mess in your neck. I believe Colleen Young one of the mentors may address this as a fellow C-spine surgery patient.

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Profile picture for dwlandi @dwlandi

I had an injury to the the C5-C6 & C6-C7 levels in 2014 exacerbated by herniated discs due to 25 years of using a laptop computer.
Starting in January of 2025, I started having pain in my right shoulder radiating down my right bicep and arm. An MRI was ordered by the Pain Management Specialist. Based on the findings in the radiology report below, is surgery imperative or can it be elective?

Findings: The cervical vertebral bodies are normal in height and alignment with normal marrow signal. There is partial straightening of the cervical spine. No prevertebral soft tissue swelling is noted. There is no evidence of a cervical cord mass, syrinx or Chiari malformation. There is desiccation of the cervical disks.

At C2-C3, there is mild posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal or neuroforaminal stenosis is noted.

At C3-C4, there is disc osteophyte complex with broad-based posterior bulging of the disc. There is flattening of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. Mild central spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal narrowing secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C4-C5, there is central posterior bulging of the disc with focal effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. No overt spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate narrowing of the left neuroforamen secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C5-C6, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord with significant narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe neuroforaminal stenosis is noted secondary to combination of the disc and facet hypertrophy. Disc height is diminished.

At C6-C7, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with asymmetric narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal stenosis is noted. Disc height is markedly diminished.

At C7-T1 there is posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal stenosis is noted. Severe neuroforaminal narrowing is noted. There is loss of disc height.

Impression: Degenerative disc disease involving the cervical spine. Multilevel disc bulging with spinal and neuroforaminal stenoses at C3-C4, C5-C6 and C6-C7. Neuroforaminal narrowing at the other levels as described above. Partial straightening of the cervical spine which may be secondary to muscle spasm.

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@dwlandi Welcome to Connect. I am a cervical spine surgical patient. After reading your post, I would think that you must be living with a lot of related symptoms. Perhaps symptoms haven't yet been connected to the structural condition of your spine. In answer to your question, spine surgery is elective in that it must be your choice to proceed. In the years since your injury, your condition has gotten worse, and you can relate that to those 11 years of change. Aging affects it too in that discs naturally dry out and shrink as we age which can also open up cracks in the fibrous outer part of the disc causing bulges or herniations. Your report is describing the slow collapse of several disks. If the collapse is complete, it is possible for the extra bone spurs and remodeling that is happening to start to fuse the spine. Already, there are several places of spinal cord compression and significant nerve root compression from bone growths. That will likely continue to happen, and at some point, when the compression is too great, it kills the nerves cells causing permanent damage. In the spinal cord on MRI imaging, loss of nerve cells may show up as a whitish usually mottled appearance. Your best opportunity to have a good result from surgery will be before permanent damage happens, however, it is hard to know when that will happen.

No one wants to go through spine surgery, and we tend to try to bargain with ourselves to talk us out of it. There are risks for sure, but there are also very significant risks to avoiding surgery that may prevent paralysis or disability.

At this point, I'm guessing you have not had a follow up with your specialist yet who ordered the imaging. I would predict that surgery will be discussed and recommended. Obviously, you've lived with some related pain for several years from this. I did too. My surgery timeline was a bit longer and it may have been about 18 years after the whiplash from a traffic accident. I lived in denial too for a long time because I was afraid. Eventually, I had to come to terms with my fear, make friends with it and understand it before I could move forward. My situation was just one level C5/C6 and not as advanced as yours is; I have no regrets, this surgery gave me my life back, and without it, I would have lost the coordination of my arms among other things. Not everyone gets a choice on if they want to become disabled, but the choice to avoid disability was a gift.

I had pain all over my body from the spinal cord compression at one level, and I did not have nerve root compression. I did have problems emptying my bladder when muscle spasms were moving my neck around, effectively making the spinal canal smaller. It also caused me to walk with a limp. If my PT realigned the curve in my neck, that all got better and only because it was in an early stage of being affected, and my gait returned to being normal and equal. It was causing weakness, so when I limped, I couldn't walk normally at all if I tried. The bladder functioning could have progressed to incontinence that could become permanent.

What are your thoughts and concerns? What symptoms are you experiencing that you think are related to your spinal condition? How soon will you be seeing a specialist?

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Profile picture for dwlandi @dwlandi

I had an injury to the the C5-C6 & C6-C7 levels in 2014 exacerbated by herniated discs due to 25 years of using a laptop computer.
Starting in January of 2025, I started having pain in my right shoulder radiating down my right bicep and arm. An MRI was ordered by the Pain Management Specialist. Based on the findings in the radiology report below, is surgery imperative or can it be elective?

Findings: The cervical vertebral bodies are normal in height and alignment with normal marrow signal. There is partial straightening of the cervical spine. No prevertebral soft tissue swelling is noted. There is no evidence of a cervical cord mass, syrinx or Chiari malformation. There is desiccation of the cervical disks.

At C2-C3, there is mild posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal or neuroforaminal stenosis is noted.

At C3-C4, there is disc osteophyte complex with broad-based posterior bulging of the disc. There is flattening of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. Mild central spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal narrowing secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C4-C5, there is central posterior bulging of the disc with focal effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. No overt spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate narrowing of the left neuroforamen secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C5-C6, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord with significant narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe neuroforaminal stenosis is noted secondary to combination of the disc and facet hypertrophy. Disc height is diminished.

At C6-C7, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with asymmetric narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal stenosis is noted. Disc height is markedly diminished.

At C7-T1 there is posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal stenosis is noted. Severe neuroforaminal narrowing is noted. There is loss of disc height.

Impression: Degenerative disc disease involving the cervical spine. Multilevel disc bulging with spinal and neuroforaminal stenoses at C3-C4, C5-C6 and C6-C7. Neuroforaminal narrowing at the other levels as described above. Partial straightening of the cervical spine which may be secondary to muscle spasm.

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@jenniferhunter

Thank you for your input. All information is helpful in making a decision. I see a neurosurgeon on Thursday, Aprii 10, 2025. It was my pain management specialist who wrote the Rx for the MRI and is suggesting that I see a surgeon. @dwlandi

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@jenniferhunter

Thank you for your input. All information is helpful in making a decision. I see a neurosurgeon on Thursday, Aprii 10, 2025. It was my pain management specialist who wrote the Rx for the MRI and is suggesting that I see a surgeon. @dwlandi

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@dwlandi You may also want to consider other opinions as surgeons may have different ways to solve the problem. I think they will suggest fusion, and there may be different implants used by different surgeons. Some use plates on the front, and some do not because the cage may have screws that go in on an angle from the front. My surgeon told me that it heals better with a bone disc instead of metal cages. My surgery was with a donor bone disc and no hardwrae. I stayed in a neck brace until fused which is 3 months. I don't think you will be offered that causeless you need multiple levels done. Some cages are titanium, some are PEEK which is a type on plastic that is supposed to be innert. I have problems with metals in my body, so avoiding hardware was good for me. Some surgeons go in from the front which is easier in healing, and some go in from the back which causes more pain because of going through muscle. The surgeon should explain what they do and why, and also tell yo what can go wrong. Do ask that, and ask what other procedures also could address your issues. Good luck!

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Profile picture for dwlandi @dwlandi

I had an injury to the the C5-C6 & C6-C7 levels in 2014 exacerbated by herniated discs due to 25 years of using a laptop computer.
Starting in January of 2025, I started having pain in my right shoulder radiating down my right bicep and arm. An MRI was ordered by the Pain Management Specialist. Based on the findings in the radiology report below, is surgery imperative or can it be elective?

Findings: The cervical vertebral bodies are normal in height and alignment with normal marrow signal. There is partial straightening of the cervical spine. No prevertebral soft tissue swelling is noted. There is no evidence of a cervical cord mass, syrinx or Chiari malformation. There is desiccation of the cervical disks.

At C2-C3, there is mild posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal or neuroforaminal stenosis is noted.

At C3-C4, there is disc osteophyte complex with broad-based posterior bulging of the disc. There is flattening of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. Mild central spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal narrowing secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C4-C5, there is central posterior bulging of the disc with focal effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. No overt spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate narrowing of the left neuroforamen secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C5-C6, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord with significant narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe neuroforaminal stenosis is noted secondary to combination of the disc and facet hypertrophy. Disc height is diminished.

At C6-C7, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with asymmetric narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal stenosis is noted. Disc height is markedly diminished.

At C7-T1 there is posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal stenosis is noted. Severe neuroforaminal narrowing is noted. There is loss of disc height.

Impression: Degenerative disc disease involving the cervical spine. Multilevel disc bulging with spinal and neuroforaminal stenoses at C3-C4, C5-C6 and C6-C7. Neuroforaminal narrowing at the other levels as described above. Partial straightening of the cervical spine which may be secondary to muscle spasm.

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@dlydailyhope
@julese
@jenniferhunter

All --

Your comments, experiences, and feedback are greatly appreciated! I saw the Neurosurgeon (one of the best in South Florida) on Thursday, April 10, 2025. After reviewing the MRIs from 2014 and 2025, he is suggesting conservative treatments before recommending surgery. See his notes below...

After clinical exam, and review of the radiographic findings, and history, I do believe that Doug is presenting with some intermittent right C6 and C7 nerve root symptoms. His MRI from 2014 appeared much worse and in fact had left-sided disc osteophyte complexes. On the 2025 MRI, this appears much improved. I do believe that his current symptoms are more of a sensory radiculopathy. He has excellent strength and no upper motor neuron findings.

I would trial a right C5-C6 and C6/C7 epidural steroid injection to see if this can provide him with even more relief. So far he has had an added benefit with PT, cervical traction, and at least the first injection. I think there is still room to continue with conservative treatments. Should his symptoms fail to improve or progress, I think he would make an excellent candidate for C5-C7 ACDF.

I reviewed the imaging findings with him. We discussed some the details of the surgery involved if needed down the road.

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Profile picture for dwlandi @dwlandi

I had an injury to the the C5-C6 & C6-C7 levels in 2014 exacerbated by herniated discs due to 25 years of using a laptop computer.
Starting in January of 2025, I started having pain in my right shoulder radiating down my right bicep and arm. An MRI was ordered by the Pain Management Specialist. Based on the findings in the radiology report below, is surgery imperative or can it be elective?

Findings: The cervical vertebral bodies are normal in height and alignment with normal marrow signal. There is partial straightening of the cervical spine. No prevertebral soft tissue swelling is noted. There is no evidence of a cervical cord mass, syrinx or Chiari malformation. There is desiccation of the cervical disks.

At C2-C3, there is mild posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal or neuroforaminal stenosis is noted.

At C3-C4, there is disc osteophyte complex with broad-based posterior bulging of the disc. There is flattening of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. Mild central spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal narrowing secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C4-C5, there is central posterior bulging of the disc with focal effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. No overt spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate narrowing of the left neuroforamen secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C5-C6, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord with significant narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe neuroforaminal stenosis is noted secondary to combination of the disc and facet hypertrophy. Disc height is diminished.

At C6-C7, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with asymmetric narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal stenosis is noted. Disc height is markedly diminished.

At C7-T1 there is posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal stenosis is noted. Severe neuroforaminal narrowing is noted. There is loss of disc height.

Impression: Degenerative disc disease involving the cervical spine. Multilevel disc bulging with spinal and neuroforaminal stenoses at C3-C4, C5-C6 and C6-C7. Neuroforaminal narrowing at the other levels as described above. Partial straightening of the cervical spine which may be secondary to muscle spasm.

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@dwlandi
I am so glad you were able to meet with your neurosurgeon and get some good input for treatment options and next steps.

Happy Easter!

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@dwlandi
I am so glad you were able to meet with your neurosurgeon and get some good input for treatment options and next steps.

Happy Easter!

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HAPPY EASTER as WELL!

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Profile picture for dwlandi @dwlandi

I had an injury to the the C5-C6 & C6-C7 levels in 2014 exacerbated by herniated discs due to 25 years of using a laptop computer.
Starting in January of 2025, I started having pain in my right shoulder radiating down my right bicep and arm. An MRI was ordered by the Pain Management Specialist. Based on the findings in the radiology report below, is surgery imperative or can it be elective?

Findings: The cervical vertebral bodies are normal in height and alignment with normal marrow signal. There is partial straightening of the cervical spine. No prevertebral soft tissue swelling is noted. There is no evidence of a cervical cord mass, syrinx or Chiari malformation. There is desiccation of the cervical disks.

At C2-C3, there is mild posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal or neuroforaminal stenosis is noted.

At C3-C4, there is disc osteophyte complex with broad-based posterior bulging of the disc. There is flattening of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. Mild central spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal narrowing secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C4-C5, there is central posterior bulging of the disc with focal effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord. No overt spinal stenosis is noted. There is moderate narrowing of the left neuroforamen secondary to bony hypertrophy.

At C5-C6, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with effacement of the ventral surfaces of the thecal sac and the cervical cord with significant narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe neuroforaminal stenosis is noted secondary to combination of the disc and facet hypertrophy. Disc height is diminished.

At C6-C7, there is posterior disc osteophyte complex with asymmetric narrowing of the central canal. Moderate to severe bilateral neuroforaminal stenosis is noted. Disc height is markedly diminished.

At C7-T1 there is posterior bulging of the disc. No spinal stenosis is noted. Severe neuroforaminal narrowing is noted. There is loss of disc height.

Impression: Degenerative disc disease involving the cervical spine. Multilevel disc bulging with spinal and neuroforaminal stenoses at C3-C4, C5-C6 and C6-C7. Neuroforaminal narrowing at the other levels as described above. Partial straightening of the cervical spine which may be secondary to muscle spasm.

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From spine X-rays, MRI, lumbar nerve test and a few shots in lumbar they could not confirm Radiculopothy.
It was the Orthopedic that confirmed Spinal Stenosis and mild Scoliosis and sent me to Physical Therapy where the Physical Therapist noted Radiculopothy.
Because I have had this numbing, burning, stabbing aching in my left thigh for 10+ years but has no idea what it was-I trusted those medically to tell me I was anxious to do the Physical Therapy but it just causes more discomfort as far as numbness, stabbing and burning.
Is it possible to get rid of the left thigh pain with surgery after 10+ years?

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From spine X-rays, MRI, lumbar nerve test and a few shots in lumbar they could not confirm Radiculopothy.
It was the Orthopedic that confirmed Spinal Stenosis and mild Scoliosis and sent me to Physical Therapy where the Physical Therapist noted Radiculopothy.
Because I have had this numbing, burning, stabbing aching in my left thigh for 10+ years but has no idea what it was-I trusted those medically to tell me I was anxious to do the Physical Therapy but it just causes more discomfort as far as numbness, stabbing and burning.
Is it possible to get rid of the left thigh pain with surgery after 10+ years?

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@notsureabout If this is not radiculopathy, it may be myelopathy which is spinal cord compression. I did not have radiculopathy, and I did have a compressed spinal cord in my neck. Surgeons kept missing the correct diagnosis. Here is medical literature that may help. It changed the course of my spine journey and brought me to a resolution after spine surgery.

Eur Spine J
. 2010 Oct 13;20(Suppl 2):217–221. doi: 10.1007/s00586-010-1585-5
Cervical cord compression presenting with sciatica-like leg pain
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3111492/
Have your doctors done any MRI imaging in your neck or thoracic spine? I think that they should.

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I have severe cervical stenosis c3 to c7. I've been to 7 neurosurgeon/orthopedic spine surgeons all top rated. 4 wanted to 4 level acdf,1 wanted to do 7 level laminectomy. 1 said 4 level laminoplasty. 1 more said 7 posterior spacers n 2 level acdf. All above very bad choices. I finally found a world class endoscopic spine surgeon Dr Shen Latham NY also in NYC n new jersey. I did mbb injections in occipital nerves to relief headaches then did radio frequency ablation on both occipital nerves on left n right side that help headaches n pain between shoulder blades. 2 days ago Dr Shen did surgery in Amsterdam NY. He did a 4 level cervical endoscopic laminotomy and foraminotomy. No hardware or fusion. True minimal endoscopic spine surgery outpatient. No pain after surgery. Took pain medications 1 day. Now just taking Tylenol, Gabapentin, cellebrex, icing. No neck collar. Doing much better still sore. Endoscopic spine surgery is the most minimal spine surgery there is .only a small percentage of spine doctors do this because of the years of training it takes. All above surgeries where invented in the late 50s all open surgery with fusion not good. Find a true endoscopic spine surgeon where you live or check Dr Shen Shen-Spine website or heathgrades or you tube. He cares about his patients. Send your mri disc and get a zoom appointment. He's the real deal. Good luck n God bless all people suffering from spine issues.

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Hi @delos13, I looked up Dr Shen and I *love* what I see. This is the doctor I have been looking for! I as well suffer from stenosis & osteophytes from C4-C7 and have delayed surgery as much as I can because I cannot fathom having fusion or disc replacement of my cervical spine (which is what my HCP recommended 4 years ago). Can you please share an update on your recovery now that it's been about a month since your surgery? And thank you again for sharing your story and findings!

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