How did you adjust your lifestyle and diet after your diagnosis?

Posted by topf @topf, Mar 19 7:10am

Hi everyone! How did you adjust your lifestyle and diet after your diagnosis? Did you go teetotal, cut out all carbs and red meat? Did you start monitoring your glucose level?

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@surftohealth88

OK - full disclosure here also, I have degree in Biology, summa cum laude, A+ in Biochemistry and A+ in Physiology XP

BUT, I will start with "belief" ! Extremely important factor and proven scientifically to the point of "belief" being part of EVERY single study for any treatment or any medication's effect PERIOD . Every study HAS to have group of people who are told that they are receiving treatment but are not given any - so called placebo group. Why - because when people believe that something might help it has the same effect as if they were given that treatment and it is in statistically significant % . So when we are talking about belief we do not necessarily talk about "talismans" , or religion per se , but ones belief in "something helping". BUT , for some people religious practices also give "belief" effect ( placebo effect). Second, many studies show that patients who have strong support and are with "positive" outlook have better survival rate, and nobody knows why. Third - our body constantly has to deal with defective cells , cells that are cancerous in nature but our immune system attacks them and removes them. It is only when our immune system fails to recognize them in time that those cells continue to grow and proliferate. That is why newest and the MOST promising cancer research is in the area of immunology and hopefully one day we will be able to re-train our immune system to attack specific cancer cells and remove them from our body. Fourth - phenomenon of spontaneous remission exists for any type of cancer, well documented in medical literature but nobody knows how it happens and there is no time or funding to study those rare cases. I had that happen in my family, I do not feel comfortable talking about it though since I do not want to be misunderstood and mislabeled. It is very very very rare event and nobody should count on it or rely on it, even I do not expect it with my husband , even though I witnessed the case firsthand.
Nutrition - very important factor. Obesity is for example one of the mayor "risk factors" for many cancers. Excessive sugar intake is not good and no, not all sugars are alike. It is different when we have carbs via vegetable intake, and different when we have refined sugar intake. What is bad part about "cake" is that it gives our body big serving of simple sugars all at once and we have big sugar spike of sugars that can not be used but are stored as fat and as glycogen reserves in liver and excess causes tremendous oxidative stress and oxidative stress causes mutations, damage to organs, damage to circulatory system, you name it. Some studies showed that man who are on Metformin have lower incidence of PC, BTW. When we eat vegetables , especially veg. like broccoli, lettuce, and other greens, those "sugars" are complex and do not cause spikes ! Vegetables also contain huge amount of antioxidants and fiber that also regulates sugar spikes . So no, not all "sugars" are the same. IMHO there is no reason to NEVER eat the cake, but it should be tiny and occasional peace. Dark chocolate , couple of "squares" a day could even be beneficial due to antioxidants being present. I am working on my hubby now to reduce "cookie" intake, he eats just a few but he should stop doing it every day *sigh. Otherwise we are coming from the region that eats Mediterranean diet, and it was always our diet and red meat was rarely consumed to begin with , beef none since mad cow disease appeared many decades ago. BUT, we did eat a lot of deary products and some new research shows that deary consumption is risk factor for PC *sigh . The thought is that progesterone in cow milk can effect development of breast cancer and PC. So we will reduce consumption of milk products now.
Supplements and vitamins - I am big believer in them, a lot of research showed their effect . I bought this book last week : " How to Prevent and Treat Cancer with Natural Medicine". It is endorsed by Cancer Treatment Centers of America. I am strongly recommending buying it - I will follow all of the advice.

All in all, I plan to "move heaven and earth" to heal my husband, all 3 arsenals for healing will be implemented - medical, complementary and spiritual. So be it 🙂 !!!

Sending healing vibes and hugs to all < 3

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“…glycemic loading, not withstanding”. That phrase, in my post, summarized the difference between “natural” and refined sugars and all the metabolic implications between the two.
You probably did not see that.
Best,
Phil

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@jeffmarc

Love it

I’ve had rattlesnake and it tastes pretty good. I will never eat lima beans again. 😀😀

Broccoli is good for PC. Not my favorite vegetable, but I eat it at least twice a week. In Australia, they have a super broccoli. Drink a cup of soup once a week and it prevents your DNA from changing. Check out graphic.

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Here is a link to a 2021 PCF article featuring some of nutrition researcher Prof. Richard Mithen's (from jeffMar's post above).
https://www.pcf.org/blog/the-complex-natural-biochemistry-of-a-healthy-diet/

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@surftohealth88

OK - full disclosure here also, I have degree in Biology, summa cum laude, A+ in Biochemistry and A+ in Physiology XP

BUT, I will start with "belief" ! Extremely important factor and proven scientifically to the point of "belief" being part of EVERY single study for any treatment or any medication's effect PERIOD . Every study HAS to have group of people who are told that they are receiving treatment but are not given any - so called placebo group. Why - because when people believe that something might help it has the same effect as if they were given that treatment and it is in statistically significant % . So when we are talking about belief we do not necessarily talk about "talismans" , or religion per se , but ones belief in "something helping". BUT , for some people religious practices also give "belief" effect ( placebo effect). Second, many studies show that patients who have strong support and are with "positive" outlook have better survival rate, and nobody knows why. Third - our body constantly has to deal with defective cells , cells that are cancerous in nature but our immune system attacks them and removes them. It is only when our immune system fails to recognize them in time that those cells continue to grow and proliferate. That is why newest and the MOST promising cancer research is in the area of immunology and hopefully one day we will be able to re-train our immune system to attack specific cancer cells and remove them from our body. Fourth - phenomenon of spontaneous remission exists for any type of cancer, well documented in medical literature but nobody knows how it happens and there is no time or funding to study those rare cases. I had that happen in my family, I do not feel comfortable talking about it though since I do not want to be misunderstood and mislabeled. It is very very very rare event and nobody should count on it or rely on it, even I do not expect it with my husband , even though I witnessed the case firsthand.
Nutrition - very important factor. Obesity is for example one of the mayor "risk factors" for many cancers. Excessive sugar intake is not good and no, not all sugars are alike. It is different when we have carbs via vegetable intake, and different when we have refined sugar intake. What is bad part about "cake" is that it gives our body big serving of simple sugars all at once and we have big sugar spike of sugars that can not be used but are stored as fat and as glycogen reserves in liver and excess causes tremendous oxidative stress and oxidative stress causes mutations, damage to organs, damage to circulatory system, you name it. Some studies showed that man who are on Metformin have lower incidence of PC, BTW. When we eat vegetables , especially veg. like broccoli, lettuce, and other greens, those "sugars" are complex and do not cause spikes ! Vegetables also contain huge amount of antioxidants and fiber that also regulates sugar spikes . So no, not all "sugars" are the same. IMHO there is no reason to NEVER eat the cake, but it should be tiny and occasional peace. Dark chocolate , couple of "squares" a day could even be beneficial due to antioxidants being present. I am working on my hubby now to reduce "cookie" intake, he eats just a few but he should stop doing it every day *sigh. Otherwise we are coming from the region that eats Mediterranean diet, and it was always our diet and red meat was rarely consumed to begin with , beef none since mad cow disease appeared many decades ago. BUT, we did eat a lot of deary products and some new research shows that deary consumption is risk factor for PC *sigh . The thought is that progesterone in cow milk can effect development of breast cancer and PC. So we will reduce consumption of milk products now.
Supplements and vitamins - I am big believer in them, a lot of research showed their effect . I bought this book last week : " How to Prevent and Treat Cancer with Natural Medicine". It is endorsed by Cancer Treatment Centers of America. I am strongly recommending buying it - I will follow all of the advice.

All in all, I plan to "move heaven and earth" to heal my husband, all 3 arsenals for healing will be implemented - medical, complementary and spiritual. So be it 🙂 !!!

Sending healing vibes and hugs to all < 3

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My current "go to" cookie recipe....even the raw cookie dough is good!
detoxinista.com/the-healthiest-cookies-ever-paleo-vegan

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@restlessandwild

Red meat is best for restoring testosterone values, right? Is there any other testofood known? After my ADT, I want my testo back - so anything that helps is good. But only naturally, no drugs.

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Oysters are a good source of zinc, which can boost testosterone (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6868249/)

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I posted much of this a year ago, but some things are worth repeating.

Many great comments have already been made.

I like Dr. Mark Moyad’s 2019 PCRI conference answer to the question - What diet is best for PCa?

“It’s the diet that you can stick to that changes your numbers in the direction you want them to change, that makes you happy”

In other words, BOTH objective information AND subjective goals go into one’s dietary decisions…not unlike ones PCa treatment decisions.

My objective/subjective decisions have led me to focus more on exercise than diet, for a variety of reasons. One of which was Dr. Peter Attia’s book “Outlive” (recommended by my urologist) that provides some convincing objective evidence for exercise over diet regarding longevity, although he does address diet (along with other health issues) in his book.

I’ve elaborated, in my other posts and comments, regarding the science of vigorous exercise and the slowing the progression of PCa, so I won’t repeat that here.

In any case, every man with PCa will make decisions regarding diet/exercise, even if it’s to decide to make no changes over what they were already doing prior to their PCa diagnosis.

I’m always on the hunt for additional diet/exercise information, from a balanced perspective. So I’m attaching a rather detailed 12 page summary of the subject by The Prostate Cancer Charity from our friends across the pond….

Shared files

TPCC-diet (TPCC-diet.pdf)

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Since my RP in November of 2023, I have had 4 PSA tests which were < 0.01. Since my Gleason came back 9 after my pathology report, I continue to be concerned about recurrence(so far so good🤞🙏). I just had my yearly physical and my glucose came back slightly elevated. I’m an extremist so I have made some dramatic changes to my diet, since glucose is a feeder of cancer. I have cut WAY back on starches and sugars. One thing it has accomplished is I have lost about 6 pounds, even though I don’t need to lose any. My urologist told me the number one thing to cut out is red meat. No problem for me as I haven’t had any in 20years. I have loaded up on fresh fruit and veggies as well. I have an upcoming PSA test in a few weeks and I am going to ask my doctor to include a glucose test so I can see if my changes are making a difference. I’ll report on my results at that time. Best of luck to you.

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@kjacko

Since my RP in November of 2023, I have had 4 PSA tests which were < 0.01. Since my Gleason came back 9 after my pathology report, I continue to be concerned about recurrence(so far so good🤞🙏). I just had my yearly physical and my glucose came back slightly elevated. I’m an extremist so I have made some dramatic changes to my diet, since glucose is a feeder of cancer. I have cut WAY back on starches and sugars. One thing it has accomplished is I have lost about 6 pounds, even though I don’t need to lose any. My urologist told me the number one thing to cut out is red meat. No problem for me as I haven’t had any in 20years. I have loaded up on fresh fruit and veggies as well. I have an upcoming PSA test in a few weeks and I am going to ask my doctor to include a glucose test so I can see if my changes are making a difference. I’ll report on my results at that time. Best of luck to you.

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Good for you, kjacko, you don’t need the extra processed sugar to cause more problems.
But just be aware that fruit sugars can elevate your glucose as well. An apple I had at 8 PM showed up in a 7AM blood test!
Glucose is ubiquitous and sadly, cancer cells can MAKE their own if necessary.
Your lifestyle changes are great but don’t fret and wear yourself out over glucose. You probably have enough stress in your life already!
Phil

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@heavyphil

Good for you, kjacko, you don’t need the extra processed sugar to cause more problems.
But just be aware that fruit sugars can elevate your glucose as well. An apple I had at 8 PM showed up in a 7AM blood test!
Glucose is ubiquitous and sadly, cancer cells can MAKE their own if necessary.
Your lifestyle changes are great but don’t fret and wear yourself out over glucose. You probably have enough stress in your life already!
Phil

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Perhaps half an apple? It does have natural fiber. My endo loves blue berries. I do too.

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@heavyphil

Good for you, kjacko, you don’t need the extra processed sugar to cause more problems.
But just be aware that fruit sugars can elevate your glucose as well. An apple I had at 8 PM showed up in a 7AM blood test!
Glucose is ubiquitous and sadly, cancer cells can MAKE their own if necessary.
Your lifestyle changes are great but don’t fret and wear yourself out over glucose. You probably have enough stress in your life already!
Phil

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To eliminate the blood sugar test results, with the limitations you describe as definitive, getting an A1c test allows you to get the average blood sugar over three months. Gives a much better idea of how somebody is doing with blood sugar issues. A spike is averaged out over time

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@jeffmarc

To eliminate the blood sugar test results, with the limitations you describe as definitive, getting an A1c test allows you to get the average blood sugar over three months. Gives a much better idea of how somebody is doing with blood sugar issues. A spike is averaged out over time

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Hey, I eat apples after dinner and blueberries with my oatmeal every single day - I love fruit!
My point, obviously poorly made,🥹was that it is folly to focus on sugar as the “fuel” for cancer. Cake, cookies, strudel…I love’em all and eat them only once in a while in order to maintain a healthy weight. Moderation once again, as always!
Fasting glucose levels can be tricky so I make sure never to have fruit or dessert the night before a blood draw; who wants their PCP on their case about pre-diabetes and all that?
If I had time to burn up that sugar before the test I’d do it, but I’m not a jump out of bed and hit the treadmill kind of guy.
Phil

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