How did you adjust your lifestyle and diet after your diagnosis?

Posted by topf @topf, Mar 19 7:10am

Hi everyone! How did you adjust your lifestyle and diet after your diagnosis? Did you go teetotal, cut out all carbs and red meat? Did you start monitoring your glucose level?

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@heavyphil

Sounds like a very sensible approach - eating the things you enjoy in moderation. No one seems to get the M word - it has to be a fad, a binge or an exorcism.

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Just want to add - there is a whole contingent of anti-sugar warriors out there who believe that eliminating all sugar - even glucose- from their diets will “starve” the cancer cells.
While limiting (using in moderation) sucrose is an obvious way to control sugar intake, other foods like plants and vegetables contain various sugars as well. Yes, “natural” but they are metabolized just like Tootsie Rolls for the most part, glycemic loading notwithstanding.
Also, for those who go full-on Atkins or Keto, there’s an evolutionary survival pathway known as gluconeogenesis (GNG) - does just like it sounds: makes new glucose when there is none. So in the absence of carbs - or during intense exercise when glycogen is depleted - your body will switch to breaking down protein and fats to make glucose.
In fact this is the basis of the Atkins diet - you want to be in ketosis so your body will make its own glucose and burn it, thereby burning calories. For all the fad diets out there, this one is probably the only one based on real science.
So whether you eat a plant based Mediterranean diet, Atkins, Keto, vegan, South Beach or any of the myriad choices out there, you will never, EVER, eliminate glucose from your body. And BTW, cancer cells are capable of GNG as well…
As a disclaimer, I got a D in Organic Chemistry in College, almost failed Human Biochemistry in Dental School, but remember this obscure tidbit from all the other nonsense thrown my way….go figure.
Phil

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@heavyphil

Just want to add - there is a whole contingent of anti-sugar warriors out there who believe that eliminating all sugar - even glucose- from their diets will “starve” the cancer cells.
While limiting (using in moderation) sucrose is an obvious way to control sugar intake, other foods like plants and vegetables contain various sugars as well. Yes, “natural” but they are metabolized just like Tootsie Rolls for the most part, glycemic loading notwithstanding.
Also, for those who go full-on Atkins or Keto, there’s an evolutionary survival pathway known as gluconeogenesis (GNG) - does just like it sounds: makes new glucose when there is none. So in the absence of carbs - or during intense exercise when glycogen is depleted - your body will switch to breaking down protein and fats to make glucose.
In fact this is the basis of the Atkins diet - you want to be in ketosis so your body will make its own glucose and burn it, thereby burning calories. For all the fad diets out there, this one is probably the only one based on real science.
So whether you eat a plant based Mediterranean diet, Atkins, Keto, vegan, South Beach or any of the myriad choices out there, you will never, EVER, eliminate glucose from your body. And BTW, cancer cells are capable of GNG as well…
As a disclaimer, I got a D in Organic Chemistry in College, almost failed Human Biochemistry in Dental School, but remember this obscure tidbit from all the other nonsense thrown my way….go figure.
Phil

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Also, the brain runs primarily on glucose (however supplied), so even if it were possible to starve cancer cells of sugar — which, fortunately, it's not, as Phil pointed out — I'd hate to think what a devastating effect it would have on your cognitive ability. (Note that too much glucose is also harmful, which is why untreated diabetes can also impair cognitive ability; normally, your body secretes just enough insulin to keep the glucose in perfect balance).

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If you believe something is beneficial to you, and it doesn't do harm, there's no reason to not do it. We still don't fully understand the ways that our psyche can impact our health and if you believe strongly that lack of [insert ingredient/food group here] prevents cancer growth or that more of [insert ingredient/food group here] will help you then there's no harm in doing it and who is to say that your brain doesn't produce enough of a positive response to this that it actually does something.

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@survivor5280

If you believe something is beneficial to you, and it doesn't do harm, there's no reason to not do it. We still don't fully understand the ways that our psyche can impact our health and if you believe strongly that lack of [insert ingredient/food group here] prevents cancer growth or that more of [insert ingredient/food group here] will help you then there's no harm in doing it and who is to say that your brain doesn't produce enough of a positive response to this that it actually does something.

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Absolutely. And there are general health benefits from cutting back on sugar (that "moderation" thing again), even if it doesn't affect prostate cancer itself. As long as someone eats a nutritionally-complete diet and doesn't avoid necessary medical treatment because they think they can cure prostate cancer through what they eat, then no harm, no foul.

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@survivor5280

If you believe something is beneficial to you, and it doesn't do harm, there's no reason to not do it. We still don't fully understand the ways that our psyche can impact our health and if you believe strongly that lack of [insert ingredient/food group here] prevents cancer growth or that more of [insert ingredient/food group here] will help you then there's no harm in doing it and who is to say that your brain doesn't produce enough of a positive response to this that it actually does something.

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Survivor, I really get what you’re saying - that your secret superfood, diet, “belief”, your talisman, your amulet - and I guess your religious beliefs (SORRY COLLEEN - just illustrating!) can be a source of solace and strength….fine.
Just Pu-leeze don’t pontificate about it and make everyone feel foolish by caving in to accepting current scientific medical guidelines.
I know YOU understand that, but alas, many still do not and wind up suffering by delaying proven treatment.

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@jeffmarc

Well, for the first 10 years of PC, I didn’t do anything about my diet. I started abiraterone 5 years ago and still didn’t change my normal diet, and my PSA was only undetectable once in 2.5 years. Then I attended a few seminars about how important diet was with prostate cancer. I also switched to Darolutamide.

I have now cut out almost all red meat, and reduced the amount of sugar and carbs I eat. My wife, however, is a great cook and loves to bake cakes and cookies. I will eat one small piece of those sweets (6-8 small bites) every night, Along with a bunch of strawberries. We have a freezer full of four different types of cakes, two different types of cookies and the only time I eat them is once a night. I also eat a huge salad every day for lunch, big enough for a family of four at dinner. I also used to have a beer or wine at dinner and a margarita when I came home from work. I went on blood thinners, and that limit you to one drink a day. Now I drink a beer or a glass of wine maybe once every three or four days at the most.

Does it work? No one can say for sure but my PSA has now stayed undetectable for 16 months. My last two A1c tests have been 5.4, I get that test every three months. My A1c test definitely shows eating just a little doesn’t hurt my blood sugar.

I have heard from at least one person that had a pretty serious case of PC and he went vegetarian. From that point on his PC didn’t get worse, And actually improved.

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Jeff,

GREAT! input as usual. While as you say "no one can know for sure" on our individual experiments, things are going well for you.

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I've eaten grubs, they are gross. I've eaten grasshoppers, less gross but still gross. I've eaten rattlesnake, bulls testicles, sheep's testicles and all kinds of bizarre things in my philosophy of "you never know until you try". If any of these things I do not like were proven to lessen cancer growth then I'd hold my nose and eat them again.

But lima beans? Hard stop, I'll duke it out with cancer 😂.

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@survivor5280

I've eaten grubs, they are gross. I've eaten grasshoppers, less gross but still gross. I've eaten rattlesnake, bulls testicles, sheep's testicles and all kinds of bizarre things in my philosophy of "you never know until you try". If any of these things I do not like were proven to lessen cancer growth then I'd hold my nose and eat them again.

But lima beans? Hard stop, I'll duke it out with cancer 😂.

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Love it

I’ve had rattlesnake and it tastes pretty good. I will never eat lima beans again. 😀😀

Broccoli is good for PC. Not my favorite vegetable, but I eat it at least twice a week. In Australia, they have a super broccoli. Drink a cup of soup once a week and it prevents your DNA from changing. Check out graphic.

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OK - full disclosure here also, I have degree in Biology, summa cum laude, A+ in Biochemistry and A+ in Physiology XP

BUT, I will start with "belief" ! Extremely important factor and proven scientifically to the point of "belief" being part of EVERY single study for any treatment or any medication's effect PERIOD . Every study HAS to have group of people who are told that they are receiving treatment but are not given any - so called placebo group. Why - because when people believe that something might help it has the same effect as if they were given that treatment and it is in statistically significant % . So when we are talking about belief we do not necessarily talk about "talismans" , or religion per se , but ones belief in "something helping". BUT , for some people religious practices also give "belief" effect ( placebo effect). Second, many studies show that patients who have strong support and are with "positive" outlook have better survival rate, and nobody knows why. Third - our body constantly has to deal with defective cells , cells that are cancerous in nature but our immune system attacks them and removes them. It is only when our immune system fails to recognize them in time that those cells continue to grow and proliferate. That is why newest and the MOST promising cancer research is in the area of immunology and hopefully one day we will be able to re-train our immune system to attack specific cancer cells and remove them from our body. Fourth - phenomenon of spontaneous remission exists for any type of cancer, well documented in medical literature but nobody knows how it happens and there is no time or funding to study those rare cases. I had that happen in my family, I do not feel comfortable talking about it though since I do not want to be misunderstood and mislabeled. It is very very very rare event and nobody should count on it or rely on it, even I do not expect it with my husband , even though I witnessed the case firsthand.
Nutrition - very important factor. Obesity is for example one of the mayor "risk factors" for many cancers. Excessive sugar intake is not good and no, not all sugars are alike. It is different when we have carbs via vegetable intake, and different when we have refined sugar intake. What is bad part about "cake" is that it gives our body big serving of simple sugars all at once and we have big sugar spike of sugars that can not be used but are stored as fat and as glycogen reserves in liver and excess causes tremendous oxidative stress and oxidative stress causes mutations, damage to organs, damage to circulatory system, you name it. Some studies showed that man who are on Metformin have lower incidence of PC, BTW. When we eat vegetables , especially veg. like broccoli, lettuce, and other greens, those "sugars" are complex and do not cause spikes ! Vegetables also contain huge amount of antioxidants and fiber that also regulates sugar spikes . So no, not all "sugars" are the same. IMHO there is no reason to NEVER eat the cake, but it should be tiny and occasional peace. Dark chocolate , couple of "squares" a day could even be beneficial due to antioxidants being present. I am working on my hubby now to reduce "cookie" intake, he eats just a few but he should stop doing it every day *sigh. Otherwise we are coming from the region that eats Mediterranean diet, and it was always our diet and red meat was rarely consumed to begin with , beef none since mad cow disease appeared many decades ago. BUT, we did eat a lot of deary products and some new research shows that deary consumption is risk factor for PC *sigh . The thought is that progesterone in cow milk can effect development of breast cancer and PC. So we will reduce consumption of milk products now.
Supplements and vitamins - I am big believer in them, a lot of research showed their effect . I bought this book last week : " How to Prevent and Treat Cancer with Natural Medicine". It is endorsed by Cancer Treatment Centers of America. I am strongly recommending buying it - I will follow all of the advice.

All in all, I plan to "move heaven and earth" to heal my husband, all 3 arsenals for healing will be implemented - medical, complementary and spiritual. So be it 🙂 !!!

Sending healing vibes and hugs to all < 3

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Red meat is best for restoring testosterone values, right? Is there any other testofood known? After my ADT, I want my testo back - so anything that helps is good. But only naturally, no drugs.

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