Dr. Doug Lucas Has anyone here paid money to work with Dr. Lucas?

@andreamayo Thanks for this info. I had no idea about Healthspan Nation and am scheduled for a call with one of his assistants next week to talk about whether I should shell out the big bucks for his premier program. Knowing there is more affordable help with question/answer component is a real relief!

@lhankins, can you tell me a bit about what you get through his Collective program?

@bayhorse
The Collective allows me to attend the weekly ZOOM session which highlight a different aspect of bone health each time. I can also access the best exercises for Osteoporosis, supplement and nutritional information. I can ask questions live to the expert highlighted each week. Much of this you can find on the internet through YouTube for free, but it is not interactive for the most part. I have found it helpful in the sense that it narrows down the information to an easy access path. I will stay with the Collective as long as I find it helpful to me. So far, it has been worth it.

Bayhorse, no.
It may well be worth $13000. I've watched all of his videos and find the information interesting.
I understand that he offers a free 15 minute consultation, that I imagine to be personalized advertising. And there is the monthly zoom that I've heard tell is 35$ a month.
Lucas is an orthopedic surgeon (foot). He is interested enough to try and determine the best ratio between P1NP and CTX and is collecting his clients' numbers to make an assessment. So he is paying attention and doing the research. Plus he shows a preference for my favorite medicaion.
Sometimes we are a desperate lot--largely unheard and in reality not spoken to --not given enough information by our providers, either because they don't have the time, or they don't have the knowledge. Our specialists are buried under all sort of other diseases. And even one disease is difficult to keep informed about. Often they learn from pharmaceutical reps. and are carried away by the latest glittering drug not to speak of the other enticements.
Meanwhile our bones are dissolving.
I understand the attraction.

@lhankins, thanks. This does sound well worth it. Especially great that you can ask questions. Very much appreciate the info!

“Plus he shows a preference for my favorite medication.”
Gently: I’m not up to date on Dr. Doug’s videos and recommendations. I am curious to know which medication he is preferring these days. I started being somewhat skeptical when he announced that he approved of AlgaeCal products and had links for discounts. Perhaps AlgaeCal products do stand out among all the claims out there for helping bone loss. It’s confusing with so many products and claims.

trixiegirl,
it is really confusing.
Dr. Doug is thinking about Forteo. He leans to it as a first choice, though I suspect any prescription from him would come after a careful examination of the particulars in each patient.
At least to reconsider medication that halts or thwarts the normal process of bone acquistion as not the best we can accomplish is in line with his other healthful positions. So it's Forteo.
He has links for discounts that are tiny profits for him. But the guy is carefull collecting data to try and determine the best bone marker ratios.
It's hard to get away from the intense advertising for products like algaecal. From what I read it is a good product (trace amounts of lead aside), but very expensive. The cost, no doubt recovering the costly advertising campaign.
When your bones start dissolving it isn't as easy as just the rug being pull out from under you. These companies wouldn't be so lucrative if osteoporosis didn't make us feel desperate. There are too many at the ready, taking advantage.

@gently,
I didn't know that Algaecal has trace amounts of lead. I was taking Now Red Algae Calcium, plus other supplements, but sometimes it is just easier to take Algaecal Plus. Where did you learn about the lead?

It is in the Consumer Labs, but a very low amt. within the safety standards. Comsumer Labs has it third on the recommended list.
Algae Cal is harvested off the Atlantic coast of South America. There are problems there with industrial and other pollution sources. But it is harvested by hand, so doesn't contribute to further pollutions. And at least it has been tested.
A lot of our foods have trace lead. I should have said!

Dr. Lani Simpson DC CCD's Post on Facebook
Dr. Lani Simpson DC CCD
February 8, 2017 ·
AlgaeCal Lead content.
The following information is from Consumers lab. I am not a fan of AlgaeCal for many reasons and here is another one.
Question:
Are plant-based calcium supplements, like AlgaeCal, better than regular calcium supplements?
Answer:
AlgaeCal (Basic) contains calcium, magnesium and trace minerals derived from algae with added vitamin D. AlgaeCal Plus also includes added vitamins C and K, boron, and additional magnesium. Testing by ConsumerLab.com in 2011 found AlgaeCal Plus to also contain a higher amount of lead (a toxic heavy metal) than many other calcium-containing supplements. Studies sponsored by the makers of AlgaeCal found that it increased bone mineral density in healthy men and women, although there were weaknesses to the study design. There do not appear to be any studies comparing the effects of AlgaeCal to other forms of calcium, such as calcium carbonate or calcium citrate in people nor to other calcium + vitamin D supplements. For more about this, plus evidence for other forms of calcium, see the Calcium Supplements Review >>
Update (11/17/15): We were recently informed by a CL member that AlgaeCal provided the following information in response to the member's inquiry about lead in AlgaeCal Plus. In the response, AlgaeCal appears to acknowledge the amount of lead found by ConsumerLab.com in 2011, but provides information which we consider misleading regarding how that amount of lead compares to what is found in the U.S. diet:
"There are 5.2 mcg of lead in a daily dosage of 4 capsules of AlgaeCal Plus. It is just like taking a daily serving of other typical plant foods according to the FDA's publication, Total Diet Study Statistics on Elements Results (December 11, 2007): Food Amount of Lead in a 4 Ounce Serving Mixed nuts, roasted 10.2 mcg Brussels sprouts, fresh, boiled 7.9 mcg Sweet potato, fresh, baked 7.2 mcg Spinach, boiled 7.0 mcg Avocado, raw 4.5 mcg. Furthermore, the US Government's Centers For Disease Control publication 'Inorganic Lead Exposure, Metabolism and Intoxication' states that 'typical intakes of lead from food, beverages and inhaled air are in the order of 300 to 500 mcg per day.' "
The most recent Total Diet Study (FDA 2014) shows much lower amounts of lead in foods than AlgaeCal states above. The FDA found no detectable lead in peanuts or Brussels sprouts and, based 3 oz servings, only, 1.1 mcg in sweet potatoes (0.013 mcg/gram or mg/kg), 0.3 mcg in spinach (0.004 mcg/g) and 0.085 mcg in avocado (0.001 mcg/g). We could not find the CDC publication referenced by AlgaeCal, but found another CDC publication (ATSDR Public Health Statement for Lead 2007) which states that, based on recent studies, "the average dietary intake of lead was about 1 microgram (a microgram is a millionth of a gram) per kilogram of body weight per day." For an adult weighing 70 kg (154 lbs), this would be 70 mcg -- nowhere near the 300 to 500 mcg stated above. In short, the amount of lead in AlgaeCal Plus is higher than in most foods and calcium supplements and adds significantly to one's intake of lead, although it would not be likely, in itself, to cause toxicity in an adult.