I think i have pneumonia but im not too sure!

Posted by alexandriadel01 @alexandriadel01, Dec 4, 2024

Hello! I’ve gone to an urgent care already but since i was negative for covid & flu they didn’t do much for me! I’ve had a fever for 5 days now 103-105 , i can’t stand without getting super dizzy! when i sit up i start to feel weak in my legs and feel like im going to pass out , i feel super hungry but can only take 3 bites and then feel super bloated and have no appetite, recently today on the 5th day loose stool just showed up, bad night sweats , puddles of sweat in my bed every night! tylenol is not working , i have a wet & dry cough , heart races when i do anything , but only thing is im not wheezing like people with pneumonia usually would. i can take little breaths without coughing constantly but i do get very tired easily ! pls help any opinion matters 🙁

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@sueinmn

While PA's have significantly less training than a doctor, Registered Nurse Practitioners have not only a Master' degree or PhD in nursing, but also 6000 hours of RN in person practice before they can be a RNP, taking significant course work & a registry exam.

In fact, our health clinic Urgent Care is staffed with RNPs, not PA's for just this reason. And the South Texas "stand-alone" ERs, their equivalent of Urgent Care, are staffed with both, with a connection to a triage doc as needed.

PS My daughter, an ER nurse for years, would have sent you directly to the ER - her rule of thumb -"If you might need an IV, go to the ER"

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Given the way our healthcare system is organized with profit driven private insurance, and so people know who is treating them, I would suggest we have clearer designations - MD, NP and PA most people would not be well informed. So why not something like Medical Level 1, 2 3? Actually Medicare coding makes a distinction between high level, moderate level , low level decision making for when one sees an Specialist vs someone else.
I found the following definitions on differences
Nurse practitioners (NPs) and physician assistants (PAs) are both important roles in healthcare, but they have some key differences, including:
• Training model - NPs train using the nursing model, while PAs train using the medical model.
• Specialization - NPs often specialize in a patient population, such as family, pediatrics, or women's health. PAs are trained as generalists, but can specialize in an area of medicine, such as emergency or internal medicine.
• Practice authority In more than half of US states, NPs have full practice authority, meaning they can work independently. PAs always work under a doctor's supervision.
• Education - NPs typically complete six to eight years of education, including undergraduate and graduate-level training. PAs need a master's degree and patient care experience
A nursing model training focuses on a holistic approach to patient care, considering the patient as a whole person and their environment, while a medical model training primarily focuses on diagnosing and treating the disease itself, with a more biological and disease-centered perspective; essentially, nursing looks at the "whole person" while medicine focuses on the specific pathology causing the illness

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@kndaustin71

My point exactly! In fact an astute, experienced nurse, if reviewing your symptoms, history etc. could have very well been able to identify signs/symptoms of C-Diff! Many of the NP's graduate from a BSN program and go directly into a Practitioner Program with absolutely no clinic (Hospital, Clinic, LTC) experience and are not mentored by a physician upon employment! Let me see an experienced, over 20 years, RN (or LPN in some cases) that has had direct patient care contact rather than an NP who has just graduated from NP school. To boot, the insurance companies are charged just the same as if you had seen a physician.

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Regarding charges....see my other comment about how Medicare codes visits - based on level of decision making required.

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@kndaustin71

My point exactly! In fact an astute, experienced nurse, if reviewing your symptoms, history etc. could have very well been able to identify signs/symptoms of C-Diff! Many of the NP's graduate from a BSN program and go directly into a Practitioner Program with absolutely no clinic (Hospital, Clinic, LTC) experience and are not mentored by a physician upon employment! Let me see an experienced, over 20 years, RN (or LPN in some cases) that has had direct patient care contact rather than an NP who has just graduated from NP school. To boot, the insurance companies are charged just the same as if you had seen a physician.

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And you will love this, on the way out the guy comes into the waiting room and asks me if I think I need to go to a hospital? I only think that he should be the one telling me!!!! Anyway he sends me home telling me to drink lots of Gatoraid. I actually told him what I had by asking about the antibiotics and he still missed it, just told me they didn't have kit for stool sample!!!
My C-diff was caused by Amoxicillian - known for it!
But in Florida..... they had a scandal about their nursing programs not doing proper training and giving out fake diplomas

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Dealing with pneumonia symptoms can be scary, especially if you're unsure about the diagnosis. Urgent care centers can often diagnose pneumonia with exams and imaging like X-rays. If you're experiencing severe symptoms, it’s best to seek medical attention quickly. Learn more here: diseaseandmedicationawareness.com/can-urgent-care-diagnose-pneumonia/.

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When in doubt and if I’m having a hard time breathing, I always reach out to my lung doctor and he will often order an x-ray and antibiotics and if things are really also prednisone. Sometimes I will been by him or NP and other times it’s just all done by messaging.

If your urgent care doesn’t know what to do with you, perhaps you need to go to one which is staffed by better providers.

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@sueinmn

Please, do not denigrate NP and PA's - they are the first line of care for many people, and are as capable of ordering x-rays and other diagnostic tests as a physician. Many are better at dealing with viral illnesses than the docs, because they see them al day, every day

Also, since it was Urgent Care, the NP advice may well be based on what is being seen in their community right now. Recently my grandsons had the same range of symptoms for over 10 days each, and it was just a nasty virus that is working its way through their school. That said, at 10 days, a chest x-ray was ordered for each of them - no pneumonia.

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For heavens sake…person was searching for help…regular avenues weren’t working… Sorry but sometime you need more expertise than what was provided to her!

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@vic83

Given the way our healthcare system is organized with profit driven private insurance, and so people know who is treating them, I would suggest we have clearer designations - MD, NP and PA most people would not be well informed. So why not something like Medical Level 1, 2 3? Actually Medicare coding makes a distinction between high level, moderate level , low level decision making for when one sees an Specialist vs someone else.
I found the following definitions on differences
Nurse practitioners (NPs) and physician assistants (PAs) are both important roles in healthcare, but they have some key differences, including:
• Training model - NPs train using the nursing model, while PAs train using the medical model.
• Specialization - NPs often specialize in a patient population, such as family, pediatrics, or women's health. PAs are trained as generalists, but can specialize in an area of medicine, such as emergency or internal medicine.
• Practice authority In more than half of US states, NPs have full practice authority, meaning they can work independently. PAs always work under a doctor's supervision.
• Education - NPs typically complete six to eight years of education, including undergraduate and graduate-level training. PAs need a master's degree and patient care experience
A nursing model training focuses on a holistic approach to patient care, considering the patient as a whole person and their environment, while a medical model training primarily focuses on diagnosing and treating the disease itself, with a more biological and disease-centered perspective; essentially, nursing looks at the "whole person" while medicine focuses on the specific pathology causing the illness

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Super helpful thanks

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@vic83

I don't think this is to denigrate NP and PAs. This is to acknowledge that institutions are using NPs and PAs because there is a shortage of MDs and/or NPs and PAs cost less than an MD.
The fact remains that NPs an PAs have less training and much less clinical requirements. They can make the doctor more efficient, but they should not be making a diagnosis. Where was the triage in this case?
I remember going to Urgent Care in Florida on a Sunday for extreme diarrehia and weakness. I had had a flu shot that week. The PA sent me home saying the cause was my flu shot even though I told him I had been on antibiotics for 10 days and asked him if that could be the cause. (I had read the enclosure to antibiotics!) . No blood work, no stool test. The next day I called my doctor and over the phone she sent me to the Emergency room, and I was in the hospital for a week with C-diff. My potassium was so low I could have been in real difficulty! And I have been given incorrect information from NPs on more than one occassion. I have friends who say the same.
We want our medical personnel trained to the maximum and we should make going to school very cheap for specializations that we need very much and all benefit from.

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I have reactions from antibiotics C-Diff to be exact. . I have had arguments with nps, pas , anesthetists , even Doctors . They do not want to speak of C-Diff. Let alone admit you are having an attack of it . It is the “unspeakable ailment”. I have to refuse antibiotics until they finally will give me Vancomycin. I got them to hang. Bag of it while I had cervical spine surgery . I live in northern Michigan . It is a medical desert. One has to advocate for themself . People over 65 ( I am 80) on average do not do well with C-Diff . I will not take any antibiotic until they do a culture . Many times antibiotics are prescribed for a virus which it cannot effect . The C diff bacteria also feeds on fructose. Diet has a BIG effect on it . Hang on , the ride gets rough from here. Crystalina

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My lung docs or his APRN will order lung imaging or put me on antibiotics when I reach out, if i’m having a hard time breathing and flaring.

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@crystalena

I have reactions from antibiotics C-Diff to be exact. . I have had arguments with nps, pas , anesthetists , even Doctors . They do not want to speak of C-Diff. Let alone admit you are having an attack of it . It is the “unspeakable ailment”. I have to refuse antibiotics until they finally will give me Vancomycin. I got them to hang. Bag of it while I had cervical spine surgery . I live in northern Michigan . It is a medical desert. One has to advocate for themself . People over 65 ( I am 80) on average do not do well with C-Diff . I will not take any antibiotic until they do a culture . Many times antibiotics are prescribed for a virus which it cannot effect . The C diff bacteria also feeds on fructose. Diet has a BIG effect on it . Hang on , the ride gets rough from here. Crystalina

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Very true. One must advocate for oneself!
Just now I had a Mohs procedure on my face. I asked about antibiotics and they told me that they only prescribe antibiotics if the procedure is done on the leg where there is more risk for infection.
I go to Mayo for my lung issues, and I cannot risk pneumonia. I had a suspect pneumonia in January, and it was late Friday, so my PCP gave me 7 days of antibiotics.
After when I talked to my Pulmonologist at Mayo, he put in his notes that if I need to take antibiotics, to also take Vancomycin at the same time.
They have reduced the number of days for antibiotics from 10 to 7 or even 5 days. That should help.
You could talk to a Specialist about ideal Vancomycin prescription if at risk of C-diff and show that to your other doctors

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