Diet - Eggs or no eggs?

Posted by zooblio6 @zooblio6, 2 days ago

I am just beginning ADT ( Gleason 7 4+3 T2a ) and see the oncologist tomorrow here in France to set out the RT plan. No dietary advice so far from eg urologist and guessing that tomorrow will only be a practical regime for the duration of the RT. Respected sources constantly recommend a plant-based diet ( already on this ) with little or no dairy products. However, the court seems to be out in the matter of eggs. This concerns me, since B12 is clearly important on all fronts and calcium is clearly an issue with risk of bone thinning whilst on ADT.

Has anyone here received advice for or against please?

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@jeffmarc

Appreciate all the points you have made. Interesting results with flaxseed.

As for BRCA, it prevents your cells from correcting DNA errors. Doesn’t seem to do much of anything else, besides causing about five or six different types of cancer. There don’t seem to be any issues with foods and BRCA, other than those that affect just about every other prostate cancer patient. You never know what could be possible however.

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Hey Jeff, I’ve heard about BRCA1/2 for years, and knew it mostly as it pertained to breast cancer in women. I had heard that it could also affect men, but until I met you on this forum I had never come across anyone who actually had the mutation.
It’s kind of like having 2 strikes against you already before you even get up to the plate.
I’ve been doing some reading on it in an attempt to grasp what it actually does in the body…my God!
What you say about it not allowing DNA to repair itself is just the tip of the iceberg. I got a headache trying to read the studies by the NIH and others; the biochemistry is on a level waaaaay above my station.
But it seems this collection of germ lines - as they are called - affect and are affected by insulin, fats and other compounds.
You are quite correct in cutting a lot of your sugar consumption because the mutation is insulin dependent in some people ( they still can’t figure out who/why) and the cancer rapidly progresses in the obese…..and worse, the mutation can affect the normal insulin itself, which then becomes a pathogenic form of insulin. It does similar things to lipids…
So the age-old question of the chicken and the egg becomes totally unanswerable; did the cancer cause X to happen…or did X cause the cancer?? In BRCA it seems the answer would be YES to both questions….ugh!!!

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@heavyphil

Hey Jeff, I’ve heard about BRCA1/2 for years, and knew it mostly as it pertained to breast cancer in women. I had heard that it could also affect men, but until I met you on this forum I had never come across anyone who actually had the mutation.
It’s kind of like having 2 strikes against you already before you even get up to the plate.
I’ve been doing some reading on it in an attempt to grasp what it actually does in the body…my God!
What you say about it not allowing DNA to repair itself is just the tip of the iceberg. I got a headache trying to read the studies by the NIH and others; the biochemistry is on a level waaaaay above my station.
But it seems this collection of germ lines - as they are called - affect and are affected by insulin, fats and other compounds.
You are quite correct in cutting a lot of your sugar consumption because the mutation is insulin dependent in some people ( they still can’t figure out who/why) and the cancer rapidly progresses in the obese…..and worse, the mutation can affect the normal insulin itself, which then becomes a pathogenic form of insulin. It does similar things to lipids…
So the age-old question of the chicken and the egg becomes totally unanswerable; did the cancer cause X to happen…or did X cause the cancer?? In BRCA it seems the answer would be YES to both questions….ugh!!!

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I’ve attended a number of seminars About BRCA None of them have gone into discussing the specific point about insulin being Mutated. You’d think that would be important.

I guess I should do a little research.

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@jeffmarc

I’ve attended a number of seminars About BRCA None of them have gone into discussing the specific point about insulin being Mutated. You’d think that would be important.

I guess I should do a little research.

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The BRCA effect on metabolism seems to revolve around insulin and glucose and fats; but not in the ways we, as laymen, would think about these molecular compounds. Not the “sugar causes cancer” thing, but the fact that even though cancer cells “prefer” glucose, they can also use fermentation ( no glucose) to get energy. The needs of the tumor cell to reproduce and grow at a rapid rate is so vast that they can learn to use almost any compound in order to grow….they are hungry! So avoiding all sugar really won’t help you all that much - they’ll use something else.
The insulin is a little trickier in that it doesn’t exactly mutate, but becomes useless in some obese individuals with BRCA mediated cancers; but did they become obese because of this or did their BRCA mutated cells have some component which made the insulin stop working, inducing diabetes?
There are papers written on an atomic level (really) that talk about this enzyme donating so many electrons to such and such as to forego active phosphorylation….etc, etc.
Biochemists can’t even follow these complicated pathways - we certainly cannot either! Suffice to say that when you skip down to the “Conclusions” section of the paper you are given a host of conflicting scenarios, observations that openly contradict one another ( and acknowledged by the authors), and many more questions than answers….exhausting!!
I think that some cancers- especially those mediated by an enigmatic mutation like BRCA - will never be totally understood; but the fact that science has come up with PARP inhibitors which prevent the tumor cells from repairing themselves is as close to divine justice as you can get: the BRCA mutation, which prevents DNA from repairing itself, is now prevented from repairing ITS OWN DNA by an inhibitor and it slowly dies….Is that symmetry, or what??

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