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Downsizing, To Move or Not to Move? That is the Question

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The only real problem of a CCA is the cost. You have to “buy in” (can be well over $200,000), then pay the monthly fee(can be well over $4,000). Medicaid is not accepted, so if you live long enough and can no longer afford the fee, out you go. Some use an algorithm to refund a portion of the “buy in” when you leave by moving out or to family upon death.
For those who have long term care insurance, be sure to check your policy- most are now for a certain number of years or for a certain dollar amount, NOT for as long as a person needs the care.
Our policy is 5 years or $450,000. My husband is in AL and is soon going on Year 4. I’m starting to research what to do next. He has vascular dementia, heart issues, and brittle diabetes, but is SO much healthier with the structure of the facility.
I’ve met with an Elder Law attorney. Approaching the 5th year, they recommend gathering info about AL and SNF facilities that do accept Medicaid. In the 5th year, making the application with their assistance (counselors at your county’s Area Agency on Aging also can do it with you). Medicaid gives you a “spend-down amount” that you must use from your funds/assets and after the LTC insurance stops, you spend down, paying the facility bill and other allowable expenses (pre-paid funeral, electric lift chair, medications/incontinence briefs/MD co-pays). You can move your loved one to a facility that accepts Medicaid and do the “spend down” there. Medicaid follows your state’s rules as to the well-spouse’s half share of funds/assets and the spouse lives in the house until death or sale (such as the spouse deciding also to move into an AL).
If the “spend down” funds are used up and the person goes on Medicaid, the state will attach a lien to the house to reclaim the taxpayer funds used, up to the half-value (the person’s share) of the sale price. The spouse gets the other half value.
Lastly, the state does a 5 year “look-back” from the date of application. It’s very important not to look as if you tried to dump assets- money gifts over $500, putting an adult child on your house deed, adding a relative to a brokerage account, etc. If your spouse is a veteran and is eligible for VA services at home or in a facility, they do a 3 year look-back and do not attach the spouse’s assets after the veteran’s death.
Sorry to go on so long, but I think it’s important to get ready for what might be coming, just in case.

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Thank you so much for the concise yet complete explanation of Medicaid, lookback provisions, and spend down rules.

I would like to add that if you want a pre-paid funeral, powered scooter, adjustable bed or lift chair for your loved one, it is better to buy it before applying for Medicaid from existing assets because in some cases Medicaid or VA rules impose strict limits on what you may spend. For example, we converted my Mom's life insurance policy to a prepaid funeral before we applied for assistance. Our local funeral director helped us follow all the rules.

And save receipts for all needed care items for at least 6 months to show what you actually spend otherwise you are bound by their standards.

@centre Some states, I think there are 13 of them, treat the spouse more kindly. If you are not already on Medicaid it is probably worthwhile to pay the egregious fee and get a Medicaid planning attorney’s advice. My daughter’s husband has early onset Alzheimers. She is the sole provider of course. She has received advice worth the 5K or so that she paid.