Any thoughts on air purifiers and improving air quality?

Posted by cneville1 @cneville1, Dec 9, 2024

I am a wrestling coach in South Dakota. Last year we were in a brand new wrestling room. Our school got a grant for new air purifiers so there were some put in the new wrestling room. Our temperature in that room is stable at 70 degrees and we have an air exchange system in there as well. Last season everyone on the team came down with an upper respiratory illness that would knock kids down for weeks at a time. The air purifiers were running all the time and as you can imagine, the air in that room was very humid. We checked the filters on the purifiers and they were black as night. We changed the filters and the sickness did not improve. We shut the purifiers off and did not run them the remainder of the season and things improved slightly but the damage had been done. We are being told we have to run them, but my question is are we doing more harm than good? Any factual input would be great! Thanks!

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@cneville1 You are facing a tough problem here. I don't know anything about your particular air purifiers, but I know a bit about how school districts handle contracts.

They typically want a bid for the least expensive one-size-fits-all solution, without regard to what is appropriate in each room. Then filters are installed without regard for proper ventilation/fresh air exchange or moisture management. The needs in a wrestling room are vastly different than a classroom or office. Staff receives minimal training, and there is no provision for ongoing maintenance, sometimes not even for a budget and schedule for replacement filters.
All of these factors are a recipe for exactly what you describe. My daughter, a high school nurse, describes wrestling rooms, weight rooms and locker rooms as germ pits, so close body contact and confined spaces contribute to the problem.
You need a thorough inspection by an environmental health specialist. District admin is unlikely to listen to you alone, but if you are accompanied by unhappy parents you might get action.
Have you approached administration with this concern?

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@sueinmn

@cneville1 You are facing a tough problem here. I don't know anything about your particular air purifiers, but I know a bit about how school districts handle contracts.

They typically want a bid for the least expensive one-size-fits-all solution, without regard to what is appropriate in each room. Then filters are installed without regard for proper ventilation/fresh air exchange or moisture management. The needs in a wrestling room are vastly different than a classroom or office. Staff receives minimal training, and there is no provision for ongoing maintenance, sometimes not even for a budget and schedule for replacement filters.
All of these factors are a recipe for exactly what you describe. My daughter, a high school nurse, describes wrestling rooms, weight rooms and locker rooms as germ pits, so close body contact and confined spaces contribute to the problem.
You need a thorough inspection by an environmental health specialist. District admin is unlikely to listen to you alone, but if you are accompanied by unhappy parents you might get action.
Have you approached administration with this concern?

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We have approached EVERYONE with this concern. short of actually bringing in a doctor to explain the situation. All we know is that when the air purifiers are not running, we seem to have less illness. I also know that the filters do not get changed regularly unless by the wrestling staff and even if changed every other day, there is a mold growing from the humid air being pushed through them. I have pictures that I have taken and shown the admin but to no avail. Im thinking our next step is to consult a physician.

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@cneville1

We have approached EVERYONE with this concern. short of actually bringing in a doctor to explain the situation. All we know is that when the air purifiers are not running, we seem to have less illness. I also know that the filters do not get changed regularly unless by the wrestling staff and even if changed every other day, there is a mold growing from the humid air being pushed through them. I have pictures that I have taken and shown the admin but to no avail. Im thinking our next step is to consult a physician.

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@cneville1 Humidity is an issue causing increased mold growth. Have they considered room dehumidifiers in addition to air filtration? if you have mold inside the air filter units, all of that needs to be cleaned and disinfected and new filters replaced otherwise it just distributes mold spores or dust, and of course filters must be replaced on a regular basis. You could take your concerns to a county health department, and they may render a decision on what should be done. That would kind of put you in an uncomfortable position. There may also be mold in the building itself and in their duct work and it may be a bigger problem.

I think consulting a physician is a good idea, however, their opinion may not matter to those in charge. I don't know the specs on your air filters, and there is varying quality of filtration. Some can filter out very small particles as well as pollen and spores.

One suggestion I had heard about is to construct your own inexpensive air filter with the best furnace filters you can buy along with a simple box fan called a Corsi -Rosenthal box. You could do that as a test to see if it improves the situation. You can learn about that in this post. There is a link to a website for the Corsi Rosenthal Foundation with free information on how to construct it. If you make your own box and are still getting mold growth with all new filters, then humidity must be lowered as well and/or it may be a building problem. Testing your own do it yourself filters would give you some control of what's happening and as well as being a test of the environmental conditions in your wrestling room. The discussion is about ultra purification with carbon and HEPA filtration and that may be interesting as well. The suggestion about the Corsi Rosenthal box was made by a member as an economical way to solve a problem rather than jumping into expensive air filtration units.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/1181180/

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@cneville1

We have approached EVERYONE with this concern. short of actually bringing in a doctor to explain the situation. All we know is that when the air purifiers are not running, we seem to have less illness. I also know that the filters do not get changed regularly unless by the wrestling staff and even if changed every other day, there is a mold growing from the humid air being pushed through them. I have pictures that I have taken and shown the admin but to no avail. Im thinking our next step is to consult a physician.

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I would try to get an industrial hygienist to come in an look at the problem. They are trained to identify and remediate mold-related building issues. Their professional society (AIHA) has a Mold Resource Page at (https://www.aiha.org/public-resources/consumer-resources/disaster-response-resource-center/mold-resource-center) and their 'green book' (https://online-ams.aiha.org/amsssa/ecssashop.show_product_detail?p_mode=detail&p_product_serno=2091) is the best reference on mold remediation and testing that I have found.

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I agree that it’s the humidity you need to address as a priority since mold thrives in moist environments.
It is importsnt that it be addressed. My allergies started after working in a moldy office-black and other molds in insulation and carpet. Another developed asthma and a couple with asthma couldn’t get it controlled. We were lucky that it was a responsive health care facility and they did the expensive remediation. Key-tryto make sure the humidity is low. Try cleaning all parts of the air filters machines and get cleaners to wipe walls and clean floor and equipment using precautions.

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@jenniferhunter

@cneville1 Humidity is an issue causing increased mold growth. Have they considered room dehumidifiers in addition to air filtration? if you have mold inside the air filter units, all of that needs to be cleaned and disinfected and new filters replaced otherwise it just distributes mold spores or dust, and of course filters must be replaced on a regular basis. You could take your concerns to a county health department, and they may render a decision on what should be done. That would kind of put you in an uncomfortable position. There may also be mold in the building itself and in their duct work and it may be a bigger problem.

I think consulting a physician is a good idea, however, their opinion may not matter to those in charge. I don't know the specs on your air filters, and there is varying quality of filtration. Some can filter out very small particles as well as pollen and spores.

One suggestion I had heard about is to construct your own inexpensive air filter with the best furnace filters you can buy along with a simple box fan called a Corsi -Rosenthal box. You could do that as a test to see if it improves the situation. You can learn about that in this post. There is a link to a website for the Corsi Rosenthal Foundation with free information on how to construct it. If you make your own box and are still getting mold growth with all new filters, then humidity must be lowered as well and/or it may be a building problem. Testing your own do it yourself filters would give you some control of what's happening and as well as being a test of the environmental conditions in your wrestling room. The discussion is about ultra purification with carbon and HEPA filtration and that may be interesting as well. The suggestion about the Corsi Rosenthal box was made by a member as an economical way to solve a problem rather than jumping into expensive air filtration units.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/1181180/

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"Humidity is an issue causing increased mold growth. Have they considered room dehumidifiers in addition to air filtration? if you have mold inside the air filter units, all of that needs to be cleaned and disinfected and new filters replaced otherwise it just distributes mold spores or dust, and of course filters must be replaced on a regular basis. You could take your concerns to a county health department, and they may render a decision on what should be done. That would kind of put you in an uncomfortable position. There may also be mold in the building itself and in their duct work and it may be a bigger problem."

The building is brand new and after an inspection, the only place any mold was found was in the air purifiers. We just recently asked that the maintanence crew look into figuring out why our air exchange system doesn't control the humidity caused by our wrestlers better than it does. I agree we need dehumidifiers, not purifiers in that building but no one is listening. They think the air purifiers are keeping up with the humidity and that we need to simply change the filters more often. The problem is that that doesn't happen. Ive been told that they are being changed or cleaned twice weekly and I have pictures of mold growing on the same filter for two weeks now, so I know they aren't getting changed. The purifiers in the actual wrestling room have not been running the past two weeks and we haven't had a single respiratory related illness in that time. Now the flu has been running like a river through our school but we keep sick kids out of practice and the mats are cleaned daily.

Thanks for your response and suggestions! Looking into them as we speak!!!

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@cneville1

"Humidity is an issue causing increased mold growth. Have they considered room dehumidifiers in addition to air filtration? if you have mold inside the air filter units, all of that needs to be cleaned and disinfected and new filters replaced otherwise it just distributes mold spores or dust, and of course filters must be replaced on a regular basis. You could take your concerns to a county health department, and they may render a decision on what should be done. That would kind of put you in an uncomfortable position. There may also be mold in the building itself and in their duct work and it may be a bigger problem."

The building is brand new and after an inspection, the only place any mold was found was in the air purifiers. We just recently asked that the maintanence crew look into figuring out why our air exchange system doesn't control the humidity caused by our wrestlers better than it does. I agree we need dehumidifiers, not purifiers in that building but no one is listening. They think the air purifiers are keeping up with the humidity and that we need to simply change the filters more often. The problem is that that doesn't happen. Ive been told that they are being changed or cleaned twice weekly and I have pictures of mold growing on the same filter for two weeks now, so I know they aren't getting changed. The purifiers in the actual wrestling room have not been running the past two weeks and we haven't had a single respiratory related illness in that time. Now the flu has been running like a river through our school but we keep sick kids out of practice and the mats are cleaned daily.

Thanks for your response and suggestions! Looking into them as we speak!!!

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My kids high school moved the wrestlers into a back hallway after mold was found in the wrestling room back in the 1990's. The health department found mold inside the mats, too and made them do full a replacement.
This is serious - mold exposure in developing lungs can lead to life-long health issues!

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@jenniferhunter

@cneville1 Humidity is an issue causing increased mold growth. Have they considered room dehumidifiers in addition to air filtration? if you have mold inside the air filter units, all of that needs to be cleaned and disinfected and new filters replaced otherwise it just distributes mold spores or dust, and of course filters must be replaced on a regular basis. You could take your concerns to a county health department, and they may render a decision on what should be done. That would kind of put you in an uncomfortable position. There may also be mold in the building itself and in their duct work and it may be a bigger problem.

I think consulting a physician is a good idea, however, their opinion may not matter to those in charge. I don't know the specs on your air filters, and there is varying quality of filtration. Some can filter out very small particles as well as pollen and spores.

One suggestion I had heard about is to construct your own inexpensive air filter with the best furnace filters you can buy along with a simple box fan called a Corsi -Rosenthal box. You could do that as a test to see if it improves the situation. You can learn about that in this post. There is a link to a website for the Corsi Rosenthal Foundation with free information on how to construct it. If you make your own box and are still getting mold growth with all new filters, then humidity must be lowered as well and/or it may be a building problem. Testing your own do it yourself filters would give you some control of what's happening and as well as being a test of the environmental conditions in your wrestling room. The discussion is about ultra purification with carbon and HEPA filtration and that may be interesting as well. The suggestion about the Corsi Rosenthal box was made by a member as an economical way to solve a problem rather than jumping into expensive air filtration units.
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/comment/1181180/

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One thing I have heard about the filter and box fan solution is that pushing air through a good filter can overly stress the fan, since it’s not built for that, and be a potential fire hazard. Has anyone else heard that?

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@paxmundi

One thing I have heard about the filter and box fan solution is that pushing air through a good filter can overly stress the fan, since it’s not built for that, and be a potential fire hazard. Has anyone else heard that?

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You are correct - I hadn't thought of that - but there are so many compact purifiers out there for reasonable prices that I never considered it.
My primary goals in choosing filters, for two homes and our camper, are reputable company, 2 stage filtering (coarse & HEPA) replaceable filters widely available.
We have a whole house filter, then HEPA filters in the main living space (open) and each bedroom. In the guest room we only run it when it is used. Each purifier is sized for the space it covers.

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@paxmundi

One thing I have heard about the filter and box fan solution is that pushing air through a good filter can overly stress the fan, since it’s not built for that, and be a potential fire hazard. Has anyone else heard that?

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Regarding your comment "One thing I have heard about the filter and box fan solution is that pushing air through a good filter can overly stress the fan, since it’s not built for that, and be a potential fire hazard. Has anyone else heard that?"
I have heard that certain filters may damage the unit. But I would guess that a dirty filter also does damage to the unit!
I researched and use a quality filter rated 4 out of 5 for air flow in my apartment. Apart from catching certain things, I have also noted much less dust with it...and that means less dust going back into the unit
I have read that one should check with the manufacturer for the maximum MERV rating allowable for a unit.

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