Long standing symptoms and nothing on CT scan: Does it happen often?

Hello everyone. Iam new here and don't really know if this is the right place for my question, but I am literally having the most difficult times in my life. I think I have PC and still waiting for tests for it.
I am a previously healthy 39 yo female, I don't smoke or drink and have no family history of any cancer.
I started to feel unwell in October 2022, first symptom was menopause-like hot flushes, followed by feelig gassy and flatulent. I then thought this must be my hormones messing up with my gut. In November I got some abdominal pain, increased frequency of stools (occasionally loose but no color or smell change or floating ..etc) and new unusual burping.
I was thinking of colon cancer, had some tests, ultrasound and CT with contrast, all clear.
I then had colonoscopy and gastroscoy, all clear.
I had mild symptoms since January to mid-March when I started to have mid-back pain, just where a bra strap sits (The typical location of PC pain).
I got terrified, went to a gastroenterologist and had (poorly done) ultrasound which showed nothing.
Almost 3 weeks ago, I started to have severe upper abdominal pain refered to the back, mainly after eating (also typical for PC) and noticed that I lost weight +/- 10 kg since October.
I had a new CT scan with IV contrast tumor marker, amylase and lipase blood tests, surprisingly ALL were just NORMAL.
I took second and third opinions regarding the CT scan from other consultant radiologists, all said there was nothing suspicious!!!
I wish I could believe them but I have symptoms that can't be explained by anything else. I am now waiting for an MRI scan and I am dreading as i think it will defenitely show the cancer.
The question is : did anyone have PC that showed severe and long standing symptoms and did not show on CT scan ? and if so, how was it diagnosed ?

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Profile picture for kag734 @kag734

Hi, I’m also having this exact same scenario and they can’t figure out what it is. Did either of you figure it out??

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There are a number of pathologies of the GI tract that have overlapping symptoms. There can also be one or more co-morbidities complicating a diagnosis. Community hospitals and small primary medical centers do not have the level of expertise found at comprehensive medical centers in major metropolitan areas.

When I had onset of symptoms, It was something I never experienced before. I first went to a PCP…I had two and chose the one in NYC rather than close to home figuring he had a larger and more diverse patient base. Over the course of three days, visits resulting in a sonogram, blood and hematology tests and a physical exam. Not being able to make a conclusive Dx, my PCP escalated the testing and called his medical school colleague a few blocks away at an NCI designated center of excellence with a Hepatobiliary department and high volume pancreas center. A CT with contrast was immediately ordered which imaged a neoplasm. An EUS quickly followed to do a tissue biopsy and an ERCP the following morning. My PCP knew his limitations and didn’t hesitate calling in a Hepatobiliary surgical oncologist who rapidly made the Dx.

When I have something out of the ordinary, I travel to a major center-in my case NYC or Philadelphia where major centers have a higher level of expertise.

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Absolutely the same symptoms-- first my primary got me a good ultrasound (I'd already had 2 that showed nothing); this one looked like a gall bladder removal was in order. The surgeon ordered the MRI and when the results were in sent me to a Whipple specialist...who did an endoscopy and inserted stents and still no definitive diagnosis. Then he sent me to a gastroenterologist who when I came out of anesthesia very kindly sitting next to my side told me I had pancreatic cancer; small, but there. Took him 6 go arounds with his camera apparatus to find it. At last I knew. That all took about 3 months and the endoscopies were hard on me--I actually asked to stay in the hospital instead of going home for the stent insertion one. (I'm 84)
I had the worse symptoms for about 2 years after vacations -- always by the ocean, always eating my favorites deep fried anything, always drinking fancy drinks, always stressful plane rides with covid still around-thus the early ultrasounds with no red flags. Funny thing, I had bra strap problems too and quit wearing a bra unless I was going out in public. And tight waistlines (I was not overweight, 120 pounds) but the waist was always too tight and caused me distress. I removed more elastic from pants than I care to remember.
So--to be encouraging--it's over 2 years later; I've had the Whipple, had to quit chemo, had radiation for one mass--now shrinking--and I feel terrific. Just had the 3-month cat scan with no new or old cancers. Good for you in continuing to have MDs look for something; it's not easy to find evidently. I owe a lot to that gastroentrologist for not giving up looking, even though he was behind schedule and it was the end of the dayl. As far as I remember, no doctor ever ordered a cancer antigen test; that would have helped I would think with a diagnosis.
Oh, I also had lots of prayers including a lovely prayer quilt from a non-denominational group--that gave me much encouragement.

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Profile picture for kag734 @kag734

Hi, I’m also having this exact same scenario and they can’t figure out what it is. Did either of you figure it out??

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I should have sent my comment to you rather than HOPETHEREIS NOTHING.
I didn't pay enough attention to the timing of the postings--and I can't fix it now as I am technologically challenged! Same symptoms, same long time for diagnosis--finally caught on camera by a dedicated gastroenterologist. Hope you can read my posting to HOPETHEREIS NOTHING.

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Profile picture for kag734 @kag734

Hi, I’m also having this exact same scenario and they can’t figure out what it is. Did either of you figure it out??

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I'm checking in @kag734. How are you doing?

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Profile picture for cymichaels @cymichaels

I have exact same scenario now. What happened last year with you?

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I think I am a bit late to reply as I had some technical issues with the website. Nothing more since May 2023, after EUS excluded pancreatic pathology and all other lab tests came back normal, I quit having more medical tests and started to focus on my life, and started to believe that my symptoms were caused by a functional GI disorder. Tried diet change without much success. Intermittent fasting and regular exercise helped my symptoms to some extent. Currently I am still having the same symptoms but not worrying about them anymore.

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Profile picture for hopethereisnothing @hopethereisnothing

I've got good news..I had the MRI today and with personal contact with the radiologist, it confirmed that there is NO pancreatic cancer. Thank God.
Still don't know the cause of my pain but I can live with it as long as I am not concerned with something fatal.

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Hi there. I don't know whether this will help or not, but a lot of your symptoms sounds like Celiac. I had my gallbladder removed and a couple of years later started having the same issues. For years. They finally did a blood test and endoscopy and found I have Celiac. One way to test it yourself, quit eating wheat products. It's a autoimmune disease, when you ingest wheat the body literally turns on itself. Causing abdominal pain, nausea, back pain, and upset stomach to name a few. Unfortunately Celiac can cause other problems. One being chronic pancreatitis. Which I also have. Again all the symptoms you describe. Have a ERCP done.

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Profile picture for outdoorchic @outdoorchic

Hi there. I don't know whether this will help or not, but a lot of your symptoms sounds like Celiac. I had my gallbladder removed and a couple of years later started having the same issues. For years. They finally did a blood test and endoscopy and found I have Celiac. One way to test it yourself, quit eating wheat products. It's a autoimmune disease, when you ingest wheat the body literally turns on itself. Causing abdominal pain, nausea, back pain, and upset stomach to name a few. Unfortunately Celiac can cause other problems. One being chronic pancreatitis. Which I also have. Again all the symptoms you describe. Have a ERCP done.

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Thanks for your reply. I have already been tested for celiac and it came back negative. Also cutting wheat from my diet didn't improve my symptoms. I think now that I have SIBO but the test is not available where I live so can't confirm this diagnosis.

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Profile picture for hopethereisnothing @hopethereisnothing

Thanks for your reply. I have already been tested for celiac and it came back negative. Also cutting wheat from my diet didn't improve my symptoms. I think now that I have SIBO but the test is not available where I live so can't confirm this diagnosis.

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At least you have ruled out that much. I'm sorry you are going through all that you are. The unknown is scary, especially when doctor after doctor can't put a finger on what is wrong. I go tomorrow to an Advanced Gastroenterologist, they know I have something going on with my liver, because my enzymes keep going through the roof off and on. But no one knows why. I hope you find some answers my friend.

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Profile picture for frances007 @frances007

in reply to @hopethereisnothing . Okay, I get it. Health anxiety is awful, and understand that you may be living somewhere where the medical care may be sub par. It can be stressful trying to get answers, and even more so when searching for answers on the internet, because one article leads to another, and pretty soon you are on information overload. I have been in this position myself while waiting to be referred to the correct specialist. It is exhausting, and here in the States, well, at least my doctor, hates it when I have told him that I have found a particular article in a medical journal that is relevant to my condition. I wish I had just the right answer for you. I was thinking about my last post, and that was : "don't borrow trouble." However, I do not mean to offend you in any way, shape or form. I validate your concerns and your fear. It is my understanding that pancreatic cancer can be hard to detect, and is sometimes caught at later stages. I had this happen to two very close friends who died as a result of pancreatic cancer. Both had symptoms, but by the time the cancer was revealed, it was too late for any relevant treatment other than comfort care.
My medical anxiety is similar to yours. Currently, while dealing with this mysterious liver/pancreatic duct issue, I now have a lump on my breast which will be further addressed via diagnostic testing next week. I have had so many breast biopsies that I have lost count. I had a lumpectomy many years ago that was done to remove a radial star and the biopsy did come back showing atypical cells. Every female relative on my mother's side of the family has had cancer, has died from breast cancer etc. However, even though I have no control over what is happening, I am still anxious as are you with your fear of pancreatic cancer. I am giving you a virtual "high 5" as I type this, okay. While I rarely get on the internet after 2000 PM, for some reason I am up late and decided to check my email and saw some notifications from the Mayo Clinic and stumbled upon your post. Synchronicity. Do you believe in that?
I have a friend who has helped me develop some positive mantras, and sometimes I have to say them twenty times at once. Check out Emil Coue on Wikipedia. "Everyday in every way, I am getting better and better." It helps me stay focused, and it might help with your anxiety presently. I actually made a sign for my entryway with these words so that I remember to say this "mantra." Again, I have no magic for you, but I am here to support you so that you do not feel so alone. Signing off now to get some long needed rest. Wherever you are, please stay safe and take care of yourself in the best way that you possibly can. There are many who suffer for no good reason other than just the luck of the draw. Try to make the best of each day, and know that you are not alone. You've got this.

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This is my first time on this website I guess I was looking for some type of answers to my health crisis that's physically happening but no diagnosis yet all related to my colon everything I read on Google's pointing to colon cancer and I had a CT scan same thing they didn't see anything and getting a referral to a outside GI clinic is next to impossible if you don't have a lot of money or the best insurance so I'm going through that I'm only 42 but it's scary and just reading your guys's comments and things that you guys have been through has really really brought some ease and comfort to me I never thought I would feel such comfort from people that I don't know so thank you to all on here and I hope that everyone finds the answer in the piece that they're looking for

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Profile picture for chanelbleu99 @chanelbleu99

This is my first time on this website I guess I was looking for some type of answers to my health crisis that's physically happening but no diagnosis yet all related to my colon everything I read on Google's pointing to colon cancer and I had a CT scan same thing they didn't see anything and getting a referral to a outside GI clinic is next to impossible if you don't have a lot of money or the best insurance so I'm going through that I'm only 42 but it's scary and just reading your guys's comments and things that you guys have been through has really really brought some ease and comfort to me I never thought I would feel such comfort from people that I don't know so thank you to all on here and I hope that everyone finds the answer in the piece that they're looking for

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So I looked at a CT scan from a year ago and seen where they said the findings gastric wall thickening! Yet no one said anything! Here it is a year later
With what seems like a bowl obstruction and a ESR TOO HIGH which indicates inflammation I'm just too stressed...

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