Why does the medical field shy away from toxic neuropathy?
As a retired person in 2016 I found a need to supplement my SSI and took a job as an EVS worker in a medical complex of buildings for Baylor, Scott,and White in Waco, TX. I started in 2/20 and was out by 6/23, working full time using a variety of industrial grade cleaning chemicals by Diversy and Ecolab. Approximately 1 month before leaving I attempted to file a WC claim due to some very noticeable skin irritations, high WBC, and spasms in right thumb, which led to a sustained numbness across the top of right hand. The problem came from the dermal absorption of mostly a cleaning agent called Ecolab A-456 2 disinfectant cleaner regularly everday, and having only the thin nitrile exam room gloves to protect hands, the kind they sell on amazon for .04 cents each in bulk. A more appropriate glove would cost around a $1.00 a pair. At this point i had an ALJ hearing this month with the WC and they have kept denying all evidence as usual. When starting the hearing on the 10th this month the first question from the ALJ was " what is PPE ?" any help here would be appreciated
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Welcome @fairwinds24, I see that you have been a member since February and this is your first post. Sorry to hear you have neuropathy that appears to be caused by using cleaning agents. I'm not sure but I think PPE might be referring to personal protective equipment. While you wait for other members to respond you might find the following discussion helpful:
-- Neuropathy caused by toxins, poisons and chemicals:
https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/neuropathy-caused-by-toxins-poisons-and-chemicals/
Is the hearing for your workers compensation still ongoing?
Supplemental income to SSI working as an EVS in a orthopedic center has left me with numbness across top of right hand after using their industrial strength cleaning chemicals, namely ecolab a-456. After 3.5 years the dermal absorption took its toll from using such worthless gloves...employer aramark claims no fault. ALJ just finished a totally biased determination on a WC claim. the gloves employer had us using were the cheapy exam gloves that sell for 4 cents in bulk that are 3 mil in the palm...time for a civil suit with a jury
thanks for the comeback...the hearing will be in appeal mode soon...the more i think about it. it has dawned on me how seemingly biased the whole system is when the triangle won't fit in their square hole...the ALJ was totally horrible
@fairwinds24, I'd like to add my welcome. I merged the 2 discussions you started today into one discussion in the Neuropathy support group where you can more easily connect with others.
As you mentioned, toxic neuropathy is nerve damage caused by toxic (harmful) substances. Toxins are listed as a cause of peripheral neuropathy on many reputable medical sites, including Mayo Clinic. See "Causes":
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/peripheral-neuropathy/symptoms-causes/syc-20352061
Excerpt
"Exposure to poisons. Toxic substances include industrial chemicals and heavy metals such as lead and mercury."
It sounds like the issue is that your employer and insurance parties are not recognizing the cause and effect, rather than it not being recognized by the medical field. I'm so sorry that you are having to battle compensation due to you.
@fairwinds24
Employers, workers compensation, etc. don’t want to open up a Pandora’s box with your claim as others may have similar claims and they don’t want to be liable. They deny claims hooping you go away but you need to keep pursuing and appealing with the help of a lawyer.
It would be good to get some specialized bloodwork now to check for toxins. Have you had a neurologist test you for small fiber neuropathy using a skin punch biopsy? Have you had EMG/nerve conduction studies? Have you had a MRI of your cervical spine to see if the numbness in your hand is tied to your neck?
Did your employer have you take job specific training, especially safety/PPE necessary for your work to keep you safe? Did you complete all required training? Can you prove that proper PPE was not provided to workers (like face mask/eye shield, chemical handling gloves, skin covering in cases of splashes, access to areas to rinse eyes/face, hands, etc. in case of exposure? Did you report the poor gloves made available to supervision/leadership or call a reporting line and take good notes of the details (dates/times/names/what discussed)?
Have you ruled out other causes of neuropathy (have you had extensive bloodwork done by your primary doctor or neurologist to check for vitamin deficiencies or toxicities or diabetes)?
@fairwinds24
What does ALJ stand for?
Have you looked into any detoxification steps you can take if you believe your body has been exposed to and absorbed toxins?
I had autoimmune symptoms that I believe were tied to saline breast implants and the silicone liners leaching into my body. I had them removed and then started taking some detox supplements (like inositol) which has helped reduce my symptoms. I still have neuropathy symptoms from my cervical spinal cord compression injury despite having ACDF surgery (injury caused permanent damage to my nerves that supply my arms/hands/fingers).
Is there a class action suit you can join or have you?
Hi,
Autoimmune is the body destroying it's system, Autonomia is the damage caused to the Autonomic nerve system, by other causes. Neither have a cure and there are very limited treatments. With Autonomic neuropathy (ANS) there are no treatments currently known. If you are able to detox you didn't have either. I believe a plasma infusion can aid autoimmune problems but are short term fixes as you need to stop the body doing the damage to itself.
I had a friend who had to get plasma infusions every month just to survive until the next infusion.
With autonomic neuropathy it can be totally random episodes, permanent features or a mixture of both. If you are lucky enough to have Autonomic polyneuropathy as I do, then both major nerve systems, autonomic and peripheral nerves are compromised and life gets to be hell, the only cure I have discovered is death! Your life is no longer up to you, ANS takes over dictating how your body might react at any given time, from stopping the heart instantly without warning to affecting your organs and even permanently affecting your BP. You either sit and wait for ANS to take you or you get on with life as best you can trying to forget ANS exists. The best feature of ANS is everybody dies sooner or later so no surprises there, life continues until it doesn't, all you can do is fill every moment you have as best you can.
Cheers
ALJ stands for administrative law judge who listens to a plaintiff and defendent with no witnesses and makes a determination on contested cases involving state workmans compensation claims. Mine was october 10th and proved to be a horribly biased decision with a lack of looking at the evidence. I will appeal, and am looking into a civil case in the regular court system to get away from the workmans comp arena.
Many of the EVS workers are lower income and have numerous struggles going on in their lives, and in this scenario of mine the majority are black/ hispanic and due to skin pigmentation have a higher tolerance to the types of industrial strength cleaning chemicals used in hospital/ medical facilities. I only took the job to supplement my SSI in semi retirement, but am scandanavian with fair skin. It is sad to think an employer like Aramark would use people in that fashion to pad their profit levels by using unsuitable gloves for PPE, which sell for 4 cents in bulk pricing on amazon and state on the box of gloves they not intended as a barrier against chemicals.