Has anyone tried nattokinase?

Posted by evanj @evanj, Apr 18 3:27pm

To my knowledge, nattokinase is a supplement that can help resolve blood clots and improve circulation. My holistic doctor brought up starting it. I heard from someone that they were having seizures after COVID, and after starting nattokinase, they have not had a seizure ever since. Please respond and let me know if you have tried nattokinase and if it has helped at all.

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Who should not take nattokinase?
If you have any blood clotting disorders, don't take nattokinase supplements unless a doctor says it's safe. You may need to stop taking nattokinase if you're planning to have surgery. 

Theoretically, nattokinase can cause an existing clot to dislodge, resulting in a stroke or embolus at a distant location. Patients with a history of deep vein thrombosis should avoid of use nattokinase.

Do Not Take if:

  • You have coagulation disorders or are currently using an anticoagulant drug.
  • You take aspirin daily: Nattokinase may increase its effects and lead to excessive bleeding.

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Yes I took Nattokinase for 90 days and yes it did help with my vertigo symptoms. Now I only get vertigo if I lay down on my back. I have to use pillows.
This week 10/9/24 I started to take - PROTEOLYTIC ENZYMES
It has both Nattokinase and Serraoeotase

I hope this helps with the pain, fatigue and vertigo

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@hrojzen0922

I started on 40,000 units once daily (this is the lowest strength one typically can find in the many serrapeptase products available today) and, after continued reading on how this supplement works, gradually titrated up to 120,000 once daily.

The conventional material on serrapeptase usually states that 120,000 units daily is the highest level ever studied for safety, but thereś lots of writing in the natural healing literature indicating that significantly higher amounts are safe and likely to be more effective.

Iḿ taking the approach that I am willing to consume doses lots higher than the conventional recommendation of 120,000/day as a cap IN EXCHANGE FOR my observance of some rules for dosing that help to minimize and reverse adverse effects.

In particular, because serrapeptase seems to be able to break down biofilms of many types (some of them derived from acute infections that have subsided), it is known to have the capacity to cause Herxheimer reactions in some users. Herxheimer reactions are sometimes called ¨die offs,¨ (a concept very popular among chronic Lyme Disease patients who believe that particular remedies, if they are working well, will, at times, flush away toxins that were produced, in the body, by infectious organisms that may themselves no longer be active, with the toxin flush producing short-term symptoms like gastrointestinal upset, fatigue, rash, and even a temporary relapse into the symptoms of the disorder being treated.

So far, I have titrated my serrapeptase dose up to 160,000 units 3X/day without triggering a Herxheimer reaction, but if such a reaction develops, I will scale back for a while. That dosing level is actually the recommended standard dose on several well-known serrapeptase products, and while I would never have started at that level from the outset, this product labeling provides me with a modicum of reassurance that others may have proceeded safely at this level at some point in their self-treatment.

To minimize the risk of Herxheimer reactions, itś important to take serrapeptase only on an empty stomach and only with at least 8 oz. of water. This means taking it not less than 30 minutes before eating or drinking anything (other than water), and not sooner than 2 full hours after eating or drinking anything (other than water). In addition, it is essential to use only acid-resistant serrapeptase to ensure its bioavailability. Products that are enteric-coated or that have been formulated for delayed release can both meet that requirement (though there is some debate over which approach yields the most reliable resistance to GI acids).

As you can tell, I am always keenly aware that I am on my own, in this endeavor, and may encounter unwanted effects at times, but that I nonetheless move into this unknown territory because conventional medicine has been entirely unable to help me get well, so far, and may, in fact, have set me back seriously, at times.

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Cheers to your willingness to chart your own course.
And thanks for all this information.
Any updates all these months later.

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@gently

Cheers to your willingness to chart your own course.
And thanks for all this information.
Any updates all these months later.

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Yes, just taking the Nattokinase for 90 days did help. About 80 percent better. On 10/9/2024 Started taking the Proteolytic Enzymes it has both nattokinase and serrapeptase. Will update after another 90 days.

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I gagged on it and could not get it down. Bought it fresh from the Asian Market

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I started taking it. I will add the vit c listed above. I bought some, but didn’t take it. I started drinking kombucha, as I don’t like kimchi. No difference yet..but it’s early.
Also added coq10, as I damaged an arm muscle in May and it hasn’t healed. Our immune system is involved in how our muscles work! I regret avoiding science in college. I am learning how our bodies function. Cytokines on over drive. Bacteria leaked into the bloodstream causing sepsis. Did you know that of the deaths in a hospital, 65 percent are due to sepsis.
Be well my friends.

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@rsteven

Yes, I use nattokinase regularly. It seems to provide periodic relief but my debilitating exhaustion always returns.

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I am now on Dr. Jordan Vaughn’s “Triple Therapy”: Plavix, Eliquis, and baby aspirin. I’m two months in now. There’s considerable improvement, but not sustained. Today I went from getting out of bed to collapsing on the sofa, where I’ll spend most of the day. I am so weak I don’t even walk properly, I just shuffle my feet across the floor.

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