What is wrong with me?!

Posted by ehope @ehope, Sep 23 8:29am

Month 9 of unexplained and undiagnosed NON-STOP pain. It started in my foot, shooting pain and purple color, moved to include other foot making walking SO hard. Started in the middle of the night out of nowhere. Was walking 5 miles a day and well. Now my whole body hurts. my hair is thinning and I do not have any remission from this. After finding MANY doctors in many disciplines and waiting, tests all look good. Neurology tomorrow for EMG. NO one has said Fibromyalgia. Nothing helps. Grateful to connect. I do not have fatigue. Just tired of the pain and debilitation. Thank you ALL!

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This is a rare condition, but recently I heard of someone who was getting a workup for a condition called Erythromelalgia. It causes burning pain, can have sudden onset and cause purple color to hands and feet, if you might want to see if that sounds like what you’re experiencing.

Might be out of left field, but thought I’d mention it. Raynaud’s is more common and could be caused by a different vascular or rheumatological condition.

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@emo

This is a rare condition, but recently I heard of someone who was getting a workup for a condition called Erythromelalgia. It causes burning pain, can have sudden onset and cause purple color to hands and feet, if you might want to see if that sounds like what you’re experiencing.

Might be out of left field, but thought I’d mention it. Raynaud’s is more common and could be caused by a different vascular or rheumatological condition.

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Hello, it is me that is being treated for Erythromelalgia right now! There is no test for this condition. It is diagnosed by symptoms, appearance (red skin), and warmth to the touch. However everybody presents differently. Right now I have no burning sensation yet but everything from my knees down are very swollen and red. I've had chronic swelling for years that comes and goes every summer and sever pain on tops of feet for a couple years.
Just thought I'd share my experience in case it rings any bells with you. oh, and it can affect Limbs (typically feet and/or hands but can affect entire limbs) and face as well I read.
Anyway I'm assuming you've been to a foot dr and have had MRI's?
Does your pain move all around your body? I have Fibro as well. Had chronic pain for 24 years. drs always blamed my spine. until JUST 2 weeks ago when I flared and the EM flared as well. I understand you frustration. There IS a blood test for Fibro. It's not covered by insurance though. You can ask your neurologist for it. I don't know if it's new or what but I was NEVER told of this test.
I hope maybe some of this helped! Good luck!

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@heatonpatti5

Hello, it is me that is being treated for Erythromelalgia right now! There is no test for this condition. It is diagnosed by symptoms, appearance (red skin), and warmth to the touch. However everybody presents differently. Right now I have no burning sensation yet but everything from my knees down are very swollen and red. I've had chronic swelling for years that comes and goes every summer and sever pain on tops of feet for a couple years.
Just thought I'd share my experience in case it rings any bells with you. oh, and it can affect Limbs (typically feet and/or hands but can affect entire limbs) and face as well I read.
Anyway I'm assuming you've been to a foot dr and have had MRI's?
Does your pain move all around your body? I have Fibro as well. Had chronic pain for 24 years. drs always blamed my spine. until JUST 2 weeks ago when I flared and the EM flared as well. I understand you frustration. There IS a blood test for Fibro. It's not covered by insurance though. You can ask your neurologist for it. I don't know if it's new or what but I was NEVER told of this test.
I hope maybe some of this helped! Good luck!

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Thanks for sharing! I knew I had read it somewhere and I thought it was in a different online support group I’m part of.

I’m sorry it’s happening to you but glad you’re on a direction to get some answers.

Wow, my first thought was, “There’s no test for fibromyalgia…” and I googled it and you’re right—it’s new! I wonder if it’s being used and/or covered by insurance 🤔. It seems to have been introduced a few years ago. But I find it odd this didn’t come up at all in a Mayo evaluation I had in 2023 in a clinic that admittedly diagnoses a lot of fibromyalgia as a co-occurring condition. Weird. Thanks for sharing!

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@emo

Thanks for sharing! I knew I had read it somewhere and I thought it was in a different online support group I’m part of.

I’m sorry it’s happening to you but glad you’re on a direction to get some answers.

Wow, my first thought was, “There’s no test for fibromyalgia…” and I googled it and you’re right—it’s new! I wonder if it’s being used and/or covered by insurance 🤔. It seems to have been introduced a few years ago. But I find it odd this didn’t come up at all in a Mayo evaluation I had in 2023 in a clinic that admittedly diagnoses a lot of fibromyalgia as a co-occurring condition. Weird. Thanks for sharing!

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What was your experience going to the Mayo (Rochester?) for fibromyalgia?

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@ripley

What was your experience going to the Mayo (Rochester?) for fibromyalgia?

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I was actually diagnosed in Jacksonville in 2023, during an evaluation at the EDS Clinic. They assess everyone for fibromyalgia.

In Rochester, in 2017 (?), they diagnosed me with what was then called “chronic pain syndrome,” now known as central sensitization syndrome or nociplastic pain.

So I have experience being treated for fibromyalgia at Rochester specifically. But I can say that in my experience, both campuses view fibromyalgia and central sensitization as related or even two sides of the same coin. My JAX provider said, “Fibromyalgia is the pain component of central sensitivity.”

At least in my experience, they approach both the same way. I can’t say for certain, but I’d expect the approach to fibromyalgia in Rochester to be the same or very similar to what I experienced in Jacksonville, which was the same as what I experienced in Rochester, but for central sensitization.

I know others have had positive experiences, but the overall prevailing culture of the “Mayo approach” to chronic pain wasn’t a good fit for me. It’s not something I really recommend to others except for specific circumstances. I’ve written this elsewhere, but it feels too rigid and doesn’t seem to account well for different presentations of chronic pain and central sensitization. And the providers I interacted with did not seem to have an understanding of post-exertion malaise, which can be dangerous.

My experience in both places had a heavy emphasis on “self management and lifestyle changes.” They take a pain neuroscience approach, emphasizing that pain is a message the brain sends out on the basis of how it’s interpreting what’s going on in or around your body. We can change that pain experience by calming down a brain that’s on high alert. All of that is true, and self-management it’s important, but that approach felt very one-sided. The approach to pacing exercise frustrated me most; it was too aggressive for me and didn’t acknowledge different presentations of chronic pain or post-exertion symptoms, which can be dangerous. And I saw PTs who are supposed to be the experts.

I feel conflicted about it. Obviously, it works and many people have found success. I don’t want to sound so negative, but I also feel constructive criticism is fair and not every intervention is right for everyone. I don’t feel they’re very transparent about their approach and I wish I would have had someone to ask the question you just asked me, before I went, so I always try to answer when someone asks.

I could say more but my comment keeps exceeding the character limit! I’m too long-winded and out of energy to edit it all, so I cut a bunch of stuff out >_< . Feel free to let me know if you have other questions.

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@emo

Thanks for sharing! I knew I had read it somewhere and I thought it was in a different online support group I’m part of.

I’m sorry it’s happening to you but glad you’re on a direction to get some answers.

Wow, my first thought was, “There’s no test for fibromyalgia…” and I googled it and you’re right—it’s new! I wonder if it’s being used and/or covered by insurance 🤔. It seems to have been introduced a few years ago. But I find it odd this didn’t come up at all in a Mayo evaluation I had in 2023 in a clinic that admittedly diagnoses a lot of fibromyalgia as a co-occurring condition. Weird. Thanks for sharing!

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The test is not covered by insurance but is worth every single penny to know My neurologist quoted me about $ 1,100.00.

I'm still awaiting my results for the the underlying cause of the EM. They've only ruled out Stiff Persons and early Dementia. It is unacceptable how long it takes to diagnose these conditions. 24 years I've been trying to get answers. I got lucky enough to get to see my neurologist in mid severe flare. He saw it first hand. Never give up!!!!

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I'm going on 30 years of various nerve maladies. Finally a supplement came thru which is helping whole body inflammation caused by high uric acid levels (gouty arthritis).
Just keep pushing for nerve tests and try various doctors until you will get one to work with you for the long haul. One who will "learn your body."
Sounds like nerves being crushed from L3-L5. So make sure an orthopedic surgeon is in the mix of your doctors. It also sounds like diabetes and neuropathy.
nerves being squished cause me "on fire" and "feet in pain" and numbness.
Right now I have an onfire ache in a leg area which has been numb for 14 years! It COULD BE the nerves dysfunctionally growing back after relief from lumbar surgery in 2018. It takes 10 years sometimes for nerves to regenerate. When they do - maybe I wish they didn't?! Try topicals. Try nerve meds. Try acupuncture and MFR (section here on it) Try massage and symptom relief in the meantime. good luck!

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@emo

I was actually diagnosed in Jacksonville in 2023, during an evaluation at the EDS Clinic. They assess everyone for fibromyalgia.

In Rochester, in 2017 (?), they diagnosed me with what was then called “chronic pain syndrome,” now known as central sensitization syndrome or nociplastic pain.

So I have experience being treated for fibromyalgia at Rochester specifically. But I can say that in my experience, both campuses view fibromyalgia and central sensitization as related or even two sides of the same coin. My JAX provider said, “Fibromyalgia is the pain component of central sensitivity.”

At least in my experience, they approach both the same way. I can’t say for certain, but I’d expect the approach to fibromyalgia in Rochester to be the same or very similar to what I experienced in Jacksonville, which was the same as what I experienced in Rochester, but for central sensitization.

I know others have had positive experiences, but the overall prevailing culture of the “Mayo approach” to chronic pain wasn’t a good fit for me. It’s not something I really recommend to others except for specific circumstances. I’ve written this elsewhere, but it feels too rigid and doesn’t seem to account well for different presentations of chronic pain and central sensitization. And the providers I interacted with did not seem to have an understanding of post-exertion malaise, which can be dangerous.

My experience in both places had a heavy emphasis on “self management and lifestyle changes.” They take a pain neuroscience approach, emphasizing that pain is a message the brain sends out on the basis of how it’s interpreting what’s going on in or around your body. We can change that pain experience by calming down a brain that’s on high alert. All of that is true, and self-management it’s important, but that approach felt very one-sided. The approach to pacing exercise frustrated me most; it was too aggressive for me and didn’t acknowledge different presentations of chronic pain or post-exertion symptoms, which can be dangerous. And I saw PTs who are supposed to be the experts.

I feel conflicted about it. Obviously, it works and many people have found success. I don’t want to sound so negative, but I also feel constructive criticism is fair and not every intervention is right for everyone. I don’t feel they’re very transparent about their approach and I wish I would have had someone to ask the question you just asked me, before I went, so I always try to answer when someone asks.

I could say more but my comment keeps exceeding the character limit! I’m too long-winded and out of energy to edit it all, so I cut a bunch of stuff out >_< . Feel free to let me know if you have other questions.

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Ty for the info! Very Helpful!

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@ripley

What was your experience going to the Mayo (Rochester?) for fibromyalgia?

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@ripley and @heatonpatti5 if this is helpful:

I also just thought of something else… If you wanted to learn more about how they approach fibromyalgia, you could find the book: “Mayo Clinic Guide to Fibromyalgia,” by Dr. Barbara Bruce. I did my consultation with her. I believe she oversees all of Jacksonville’s 2-day treatment program classes for various chronic pain syndromes. I had referrals for multiple programs and couldn’t attend the fibromyalgia one. She told me I only needed to attend one because there’s so much overlap and gave me the book since I chose to attend her POTS program instead of the fibro one.. Another reason I suspect the approach would be the same is because she told me she used to be based in Rochester and started these programs, then established at least the POTS program when she came to Jacksonville because she saw a need.

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@emo

I was actually diagnosed in Jacksonville in 2023, during an evaluation at the EDS Clinic. They assess everyone for fibromyalgia.

In Rochester, in 2017 (?), they diagnosed me with what was then called “chronic pain syndrome,” now known as central sensitization syndrome or nociplastic pain.

So I have experience being treated for fibromyalgia at Rochester specifically. But I can say that in my experience, both campuses view fibromyalgia and central sensitization as related or even two sides of the same coin. My JAX provider said, “Fibromyalgia is the pain component of central sensitivity.”

At least in my experience, they approach both the same way. I can’t say for certain, but I’d expect the approach to fibromyalgia in Rochester to be the same or very similar to what I experienced in Jacksonville, which was the same as what I experienced in Rochester, but for central sensitization.

I know others have had positive experiences, but the overall prevailing culture of the “Mayo approach” to chronic pain wasn’t a good fit for me. It’s not something I really recommend to others except for specific circumstances. I’ve written this elsewhere, but it feels too rigid and doesn’t seem to account well for different presentations of chronic pain and central sensitization. And the providers I interacted with did not seem to have an understanding of post-exertion malaise, which can be dangerous.

My experience in both places had a heavy emphasis on “self management and lifestyle changes.” They take a pain neuroscience approach, emphasizing that pain is a message the brain sends out on the basis of how it’s interpreting what’s going on in or around your body. We can change that pain experience by calming down a brain that’s on high alert. All of that is true, and self-management it’s important, but that approach felt very one-sided. The approach to pacing exercise frustrated me most; it was too aggressive for me and didn’t acknowledge different presentations of chronic pain or post-exertion symptoms, which can be dangerous. And I saw PTs who are supposed to be the experts.

I feel conflicted about it. Obviously, it works and many people have found success. I don’t want to sound so negative, but I also feel constructive criticism is fair and not every intervention is right for everyone. I don’t feel they’re very transparent about their approach and I wish I would have had someone to ask the question you just asked me, before I went, so I always try to answer when someone asks.

I could say more but my comment keeps exceeding the character limit! I’m too long-winded and out of energy to edit it all, so I cut a bunch of stuff out >_< . Feel free to let me know if you have other questions.

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I was told by a PT at the Mayo in Rochester that Mayo does not prescribe pain meds for fibromyalgia (which is the same approach as other doctors I've seen). I don't know how to self-manage to calm my brain from being on "high alert". I haven't tried any of the meds approved for Fibro, as I've heard the side effects usually outweigh the benefits and even the Mayo doesn't recommend them. I don't understand why Drs won't prescribe pain meds for the really bad days. I've also read that Drs dismiss women complaining of pain more often than men. Since fibro primarily affects women, I sometimes wonder if treatment might differ if the condition primarily affected men.

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