Mesothelioma - no known asbestos exposure - compensation experience

Posted by sueligthart @sueligthart, Apr 12 7:27pm

Are there others out there like me? I'm 59 year old female and no known exposure. I'm overwhelmed by the diagnosis (in my left lung) and now being faced with getting our will made and applying for compensation. I do not know where to start. I need to get that out of the way. Anyone else on the same path?

I'm praying the Mayo in Rochester can work miracles and put my faith in their team.

Anyone wanting to connect? thank you.

Sue

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@sueligthart

So I have just completed round 3 of chemo. Carbonation, pemetrexed plus bevacizumab. I have tolerated it pretty well and have not taken the nausea/pain meds and have avoided their side effects - of which there are many.

If you are starting this journey some things I have learned. Everyone responds differently to the treatments and my response may not be yours.... but I am more hopeful now than when we started this journey.

1. They ask you to take folic acid - this is OTC so you can start pre-appointment
2. There are options - The UK and Australia may start you on immunotherapy first - they have a lot of cases there and that is where most of the research comes from - in the UK though if you don't take immune therapy first they won't then cover the cost of chemo. My sister who is in the UK knows two sisters who have this and they are 3 years in and no side effects - each person responds differently but I found it good to hear. I think the US protocol is chemo first.
3. Surgery is really not a popular option with surgeons anymore. The UK Mars 2 study showed no benefit for surgery versus chemo/immune therapy. Risk of not recovering from surgery is really high and the recovery is really long. It may still be an option for some - I'm not ruling it out, just very very nervous about it and there are questions about the study. Without surgery they can't offer radiation therapy. There is a new machine FDA approved from Michigan which uses a radiation type bubble - don't understand it totally but amazing results of blasting away liver tumours - with no side effects... now if anyone is going to get one of these it will be the Mayo. My point is there seems to be something new every week and something might be apple to be applied to our select group.
4. Write down every day how you are responding to the chemo. I noticed a pattern - when I feel tired, when I get a dry nose/mouth, so you can pre-empt the symptoms. Be VERY vigilant on the water drinking - important to flush the toxins out of your body - I was not and according to google, liver damage is the result. I have slightly elevated liver blood numbers. I have days 4,5,6 as tough tired days but I make myself go for a short walk. Chemo is day 1. The first round is the worst as you do not know what to expect, after that it is OK.
5. The Mayo offer a lot of support. I'm personally disturbed by the title of "Pallative Care" but they have been great. I'm getting Trauma therapy - which I wish I had had years ago.
6. I am also using a lot of "Alternative Therapy" I do Qigong exercises, sound healings, reiki, and I have just met a healer. I also do Chakra meditation, all care of "you tube" I could not get on with "headspace" I will go and have reflexology later today as well. The Mayo are connecting with me with an "Alternative Therapy co-ordinator - scheduling is out a few months. What I can say is I will take all support that comes my way. I have found this together with the Trauma therapy has really helped me mentally and I'm sorting out a lot of past family trauma - a great relief not to have those people in my head anymore. It has been hard pivoting from this is "incurable, aggressive cancer and you have 18 months" to " I am going to do everything to get in that group who do survive five years or more." I spoke to a surgeon privately and he was telling me they have "a lot of stage 4 breast cancer patients" who are being able to maintain that position for five years or more... with drugs - so this may be incurable and they have not developed a protocol for our cancer yet...but if we can stop it's growth.. I'll take that.
7. Think about the quality of life. My husband is more I want us to be able to play golf and enjoy our time together. So with that I've said to my oncologist we need to think about some chemo breaks so we can travel and visit our children. The times I am vulnerable, not to be so fearful and isolate so much - but be careful.
8. The oncologist asked me not to go on any "crazy" diet. We eat healthily but what comes out of any book on the subject is aim for plant based whole foods, eat for nutrition and colour, cut down on processed food and meat. I have a friend who supplies me with fresh pressed ginger every week and I take a ginger and sparking water every day. The Mayo mentioned increasing fibre intake - a lot, we already were but bean salads are in my meal plan now.
8. I am writing this from a positive position. I feel I can breathe better in my left lung - I think the fluid is less which I'm hopeful shows the chemo is working. Mental attitude is really important - accept the diagnosis but not the prognosis the statistics are just that. Still necessary to take the practical steps of getting stuff in shape. There is so much changing, I signed up for every clinical trial they asked me for. Getting out in nature and trying to live in the moment - I'm a planner so I've found this hard.
9. On my next to do list is to join a support group, and get my husband to join one too. Learn to use my voice.
10. Big scan is in three weeks and we find how far the chemo had worked. I'm hoping it does then I will have another couple of rounds - 6 in total before maintenance/chemo holiday.

Anyone on the chemo maintenance plan - I understand it is an infusion of pemetrexted every 21 days - how is that working for people? how long were you on it for?

Appreciate anything anyone can share.

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@sueligthart, such a helpful, hopeful and detailed post. Thank you!

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Update - now getting ready for round 6 of 6 on the heavy schedule before going on to a "chemo maintenance" plan.

The first scan showed some reduction
The second showed stable
The fluid in my lung has gone down a lot.

My oncologist and I agreed to a 28 day regime on this "heavy" chemo plan - that extra week is wonderful, gives my body a chance to come back and get my blood work to normal.

IMPORTANT - the day before chemo make sure you drink LOTS of water! it really helps with the chemo infusion - I have days 4,5,6 as being days I struggle to get off the sofa... but the last round it was easier. Also really make sure you have lots of fibre filling foods before during and after... helps with the constipation - I've had a mild effect on one day of the cycle but I still don't want that:) and important to feed those gut microbiome. On the heavy days.. try and do something - moving is important as blood clots can be a side effect.

Also important- they do not know why these treatments work with some patients and not with others - but they "think" it is a combination of overall health, cell biology, gut health and mental state, there is undoubtedly more - but we patients can impact some of this. Make sure you are drinking "kombucha" eating "live yoghurt" or "kefir" or "sauerkraut", I'm sure there are loads more but these are easily available in the supermarkets - it takes a while to build up but don't take pills.

I had an appointment with an "alternative oncologist" from the Mayo - this was great - she advised taking Ginseng against fatigue but no to Turmeric as it counter re-acts against Alvastin one of my drugs.

A friend has now lent me a juicer... I alternate one day an 8oz glass of Celery juice with apple (eat the peel though!) and ginger and one day Carrot with ginger. Trying to get a lot of nutrients in but I am still having my coffee and dark chocolate at coffee time:) not giving up on those fun things! But if you want to eat ice cream and drink wine... do that too!

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@sueligthart

So I have just completed round 3 of chemo. Carbonation, pemetrexed plus bevacizumab. I have tolerated it pretty well and have not taken the nausea/pain meds and have avoided their side effects - of which there are many.

If you are starting this journey some things I have learned. Everyone responds differently to the treatments and my response may not be yours.... but I am more hopeful now than when we started this journey.

1. They ask you to take folic acid - this is OTC so you can start pre-appointment
2. There are options - The UK and Australia may start you on immunotherapy first - they have a lot of cases there and that is where most of the research comes from - in the UK though if you don't take immune therapy first they won't then cover the cost of chemo. My sister who is in the UK knows two sisters who have this and they are 3 years in and no side effects - each person responds differently but I found it good to hear. I think the US protocol is chemo first.
3. Surgery is really not a popular option with surgeons anymore. The UK Mars 2 study showed no benefit for surgery versus chemo/immune therapy. Risk of not recovering from surgery is really high and the recovery is really long. It may still be an option for some - I'm not ruling it out, just very very nervous about it and there are questions about the study. Without surgery they can't offer radiation therapy. There is a new machine FDA approved from Michigan which uses a radiation type bubble - don't understand it totally but amazing results of blasting away liver tumours - with no side effects... now if anyone is going to get one of these it will be the Mayo. My point is there seems to be something new every week and something might be apple to be applied to our select group.
4. Write down every day how you are responding to the chemo. I noticed a pattern - when I feel tired, when I get a dry nose/mouth, so you can pre-empt the symptoms. Be VERY vigilant on the water drinking - important to flush the toxins out of your body - I was not and according to google, liver damage is the result. I have slightly elevated liver blood numbers. I have days 4,5,6 as tough tired days but I make myself go for a short walk. Chemo is day 1. The first round is the worst as you do not know what to expect, after that it is OK.
5. The Mayo offer a lot of support. I'm personally disturbed by the title of "Pallative Care" but they have been great. I'm getting Trauma therapy - which I wish I had had years ago.
6. I am also using a lot of "Alternative Therapy" I do Qigong exercises, sound healings, reiki, and I have just met a healer. I also do Chakra meditation, all care of "you tube" I could not get on with "headspace" I will go and have reflexology later today as well. The Mayo are connecting with me with an "Alternative Therapy co-ordinator - scheduling is out a few months. What I can say is I will take all support that comes my way. I have found this together with the Trauma therapy has really helped me mentally and I'm sorting out a lot of past family trauma - a great relief not to have those people in my head anymore. It has been hard pivoting from this is "incurable, aggressive cancer and you have 18 months" to " I am going to do everything to get in that group who do survive five years or more." I spoke to a surgeon privately and he was telling me they have "a lot of stage 4 breast cancer patients" who are being able to maintain that position for five years or more... with drugs - so this may be incurable and they have not developed a protocol for our cancer yet...but if we can stop it's growth.. I'll take that.
7. Think about the quality of life. My husband is more I want us to be able to play golf and enjoy our time together. So with that I've said to my oncologist we need to think about some chemo breaks so we can travel and visit our children. The times I am vulnerable, not to be so fearful and isolate so much - but be careful.
8. The oncologist asked me not to go on any "crazy" diet. We eat healthily but what comes out of any book on the subject is aim for plant based whole foods, eat for nutrition and colour, cut down on processed food and meat. I have a friend who supplies me with fresh pressed ginger every week and I take a ginger and sparking water every day. The Mayo mentioned increasing fibre intake - a lot, we already were but bean salads are in my meal plan now.
8. I am writing this from a positive position. I feel I can breathe better in my left lung - I think the fluid is less which I'm hopeful shows the chemo is working. Mental attitude is really important - accept the diagnosis but not the prognosis the statistics are just that. Still necessary to take the practical steps of getting stuff in shape. There is so much changing, I signed up for every clinical trial they asked me for. Getting out in nature and trying to live in the moment - I'm a planner so I've found this hard.
9. On my next to do list is to join a support group, and get my husband to join one too. Learn to use my voice.
10. Big scan is in three weeks and we find how far the chemo had worked. I'm hoping it does then I will have another couple of rounds - 6 in total before maintenance/chemo holiday.

Anyone on the chemo maintenance plan - I understand it is an infusion of pemetrexted every 21 days - how is that working for people? how long were you on it for?

Appreciate anything anyone can share.

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Thank you, I learned a great deal and will re-read this after my Chemo starts...

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