Not all older people have difficulty sleeping. Sleep aids are a last resort and they can really screwup your sleep cycle. Suggest seeing a sleep doc first.
??? As we age the hormone melatonin decreases...so why not supply the hormone intelligently , minimally ?.ONE GRAM of melatonin seems safe and sound.
And, why can't an astute research hospital like Mayo " put the issue to sleep " ! Do some science based trial re minimal ONE GRAM melatonin and let us know.
This is indeed a problem. Can't sleep thru the night....haave had sleep studies at hospital.....only conclusion is prescription drugs.....ambien, etc. Melatonin in 5-10 mg does, only lets me sleep an hour or so. At whits end, looking for something to help.
This is indeed a problem. Can't sleep thru the night....haave had sleep studies at hospital.....only conclusion is prescription drugs.....ambien, etc. Melatonin in 5-10 mg does, only lets me sleep an hour or so. At whits end, looking for something to help.
The most that melatonin has ever done for me regardless of dosage, small or large, quick melt or delayed release, is to make me slightly tired. It does not help me get to sleep. My 1st issue to deal with is either, anxiety or running thoughts which are easily squished with 5 mg of lithium oraTate. Takes about an hour for me to notice the thoughts and anxiety are gone, or controllable, I have more Focus. The real issue is beyond that. Now that I'm relaxed, no running thoughts and tired, I just lay there not able to transition from tired to sleep. The only thing that has consitantly worked is Xanax. I try not to take it because of the addictive aspects of the drug. It takes about an hour to kick in or for me to go to sleep. I take about .5 mg. I get about 5 hours sleep. If I take 1 mg, I can get 8 to 9 hours but I have a 6-hour hangover after I get up. What I mean by hangover, I don't feel like myself until about 6 hours later. So I limit myself too .5mg. I'm getting ready to try picamilon, which is B3 and Gaba combine into one molecule as a supplement. Not the same as taking B3 and Gaba separately. What happens is the niacin/ B3 AIDS with transporting the molecule across the blood brain barrier. Once in the brain the molecule separates into niacin and Gaba. The hope is I have an under production of Gaba. It should only take a couple doses to find out if that's my real issue. Xanax works on Gaba so I'm assuming it's the right area but whether it's the right solution is the question. I've tried so many different natural products that have failed, this is pretty much my last resort before I see he sleep specialist in October. I tried many different things such as glycine 3 G. The source of glycine is collagen. I take enough collagen which contains 3 grams of glycine before bed. I figure that was a better source than the synthetic glycine. It seems to help a little but does not get me to sleep. I've also tried inositol which is formally known as vitamin B8. The list goes on CBD, B6, taurine so many different things, none of which get me from tired into a sleep state,except xanax.
The most that melatonin has ever done for me regardless of dosage, small or large, quick melt or delayed release, is to make me slightly tired. It does not help me get to sleep. My 1st issue to deal with is either, anxiety or running thoughts which are easily squished with 5 mg of lithium oraTate. Takes about an hour for me to notice the thoughts and anxiety are gone, or controllable, I have more Focus. The real issue is beyond that. Now that I'm relaxed, no running thoughts and tired, I just lay there not able to transition from tired to sleep. The only thing that has consitantly worked is Xanax. I try not to take it because of the addictive aspects of the drug. It takes about an hour to kick in or for me to go to sleep. I take about .5 mg. I get about 5 hours sleep. If I take 1 mg, I can get 8 to 9 hours but I have a 6-hour hangover after I get up. What I mean by hangover, I don't feel like myself until about 6 hours later. So I limit myself too .5mg. I'm getting ready to try picamilon, which is B3 and Gaba combine into one molecule as a supplement. Not the same as taking B3 and Gaba separately. What happens is the niacin/ B3 AIDS with transporting the molecule across the blood brain barrier. Once in the brain the molecule separates into niacin and Gaba. The hope is I have an under production of Gaba. It should only take a couple doses to find out if that's my real issue. Xanax works on Gaba so I'm assuming it's the right area but whether it's the right solution is the question. I've tried so many different natural products that have failed, this is pretty much my last resort before I see he sleep specialist in October. I tried many different things such as glycine 3 G. The source of glycine is collagen. I take enough collagen which contains 3 grams of glycine before bed. I figure that was a better source than the synthetic glycine. It seems to help a little but does not get me to sleep. I've also tried inositol which is formally known as vitamin B8. The list goes on CBD, B6, taurine so many different things, none of which get me from tired into a sleep state,except xanax.
Similar experience....lay in bed with mind racing....sleep a couple of hours then awake for a couple....cannot turn off my thoughts and mind. Melatonin no help.....large does....not much effect. I have had some success with Lorazepam...but concerns on addiction. Wake up drowsy...takes a few hours to get going. Keep me posted on your progress....
Similar experience....lay in bed with mind racing....sleep a couple of hours then awake for a couple....cannot turn off my thoughts and mind. Melatonin no help.....large does....not much effect. I have had some success with Lorazepam...but concerns on addiction. Wake up drowsy...takes a few hours to get going. Keep me posted on your progress....
A little more background. Xanax at .5 mg does not give me a hangover and I feel great the next day even only getting 5 hours sleep. I've tried other medications but I feel horrible very hungover the next day. If you haven't tried Xanax and you are able to get some, give it a shot I don't think you'll be disappointed. And when I say 5 hours sleep, that's 5 hours and no waking up. Without the Xanax I wake up at least six times a night. Occasionally , I will wake up and not be able to get back to sleep. Supposedly, inositol will enable you to get back to sleep. Take about 1 gram when you can't get back too sleep. However, in your case if you're waking up anxious I'd really give lithium oratate a try, 5mg-10mg. Its cheap and easily accessible. Even with the lithium or any of the supplements that I have taken in the past I get up at least six times a night. But I am able to get back to sleep most of the time. My problem is getting too sleep. Some nights I don't get to sleep at all unless of course I take Xanax. I follow rules of thumb with Xanax to keep it from being addictive. No more than 0.5 mg every other night. Take it before 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning. I have taken it as late as 3:00 in the morning but then I get up at around 9:00 and half my days wasted, but I do feel good. Last night I tried some of my old supplements along with lithium. I took 500 mg of taurine with 500 mg of glycine, the synthetic version, along with 5 mg of lithium. Like I stated, it takes about an hour for anything too kick in for me. I did go to sleep but again I was up six times. I feel fine today which is great. I took the stack after laying in bed for about an hour. I have found being proactive to be much better than laying there in bed for 4 hours before I take something. However, since I'm still experimenting I give myself till 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning to go to sleep. As long as I have the Xanax to fall back on, I'm okay with experimenting. Hopefully, next week I'll have some results from the picamilon. One last note, probably the best sleep I've had in a long time was when I took Xanax before I went to bed. I only took a half a milligram but I slept all night, as opposed to waiting till 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning and only getting 5 hours sleep. I generally go to bed between 9:00 and 10:00 p.m.
A six week online course from the Cleveland Clinic called " Go to Sleep " was recommended by my sleep specialist and has helped me fall asleep much better. The course is only $40 and only takes a few minutes each day of your time. It has been well worth the money and little amount of time needed. Check it out on their website.
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Sleep Aids = very general concept !
I've been using meditation, deep breathing , ONE gram of Melatonin
and liquid lavender smudged under my nose ( a soft sweet smell )
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2 ReactionsNot all older people have difficulty sleeping. Sleep aids are a last resort and they can really screwup your sleep cycle. Suggest seeing a sleep doc first.
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2 ReactionsAlso check out this from Mayo Clinic.
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-q-and-a-sleeping-pills-should-be-used-cautiously-especially-among-older-adults/
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1 Reaction??? As we age the hormone melatonin decreases...so why not supply the hormone intelligently , minimally ?.ONE GRAM of melatonin seems safe and sound.
And, why can't an astute research hospital like Mayo " put the issue to sleep " ! Do some science based trial re minimal ONE GRAM melatonin and let us know.
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1 Reaction@nolivap99 here’s one study of many studies where the abstract does not support its use at this time. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4273450/
Here’s another showing its use was not supported. https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/melatonin-what-you-need-to-know
You can certainly use what ever medication you prefer to help you sleep. I just wanted to point out it can cause problems and make you aware.
This is indeed a problem. Can't sleep thru the night....haave had sleep studies at hospital.....only conclusion is prescription drugs.....ambien, etc. Melatonin in 5-10 mg does, only lets me sleep an hour or so. At whits end, looking for something to help.
The most that melatonin has ever done for me regardless of dosage, small or large, quick melt or delayed release, is to make me slightly tired. It does not help me get to sleep. My 1st issue to deal with is either, anxiety or running thoughts which are easily squished with 5 mg of lithium oraTate. Takes about an hour for me to notice the thoughts and anxiety are gone, or controllable, I have more Focus. The real issue is beyond that. Now that I'm relaxed, no running thoughts and tired, I just lay there not able to transition from tired to sleep. The only thing that has consitantly worked is Xanax. I try not to take it because of the addictive aspects of the drug. It takes about an hour to kick in or for me to go to sleep. I take about .5 mg. I get about 5 hours sleep. If I take 1 mg, I can get 8 to 9 hours but I have a 6-hour hangover after I get up. What I mean by hangover, I don't feel like myself until about 6 hours later. So I limit myself too .5mg. I'm getting ready to try picamilon, which is B3 and Gaba combine into one molecule as a supplement. Not the same as taking B3 and Gaba separately. What happens is the niacin/ B3 AIDS with transporting the molecule across the blood brain barrier. Once in the brain the molecule separates into niacin and Gaba. The hope is I have an under production of Gaba. It should only take a couple doses to find out if that's my real issue. Xanax works on Gaba so I'm assuming it's the right area but whether it's the right solution is the question. I've tried so many different natural products that have failed, this is pretty much my last resort before I see he sleep specialist in October. I tried many different things such as glycine 3 G. The source of glycine is collagen. I take enough collagen which contains 3 grams of glycine before bed. I figure that was a better source than the synthetic glycine. It seems to help a little but does not get me to sleep. I've also tried inositol which is formally known as vitamin B8. The list goes on CBD, B6, taurine so many different things, none of which get me from tired into a sleep state,except xanax.
Similar experience....lay in bed with mind racing....sleep a couple of hours then awake for a couple....cannot turn off my thoughts and mind. Melatonin no help.....large does....not much effect. I have had some success with Lorazepam...but concerns on addiction. Wake up drowsy...takes a few hours to get going. Keep me posted on your progress....
A little more background. Xanax at .5 mg does not give me a hangover and I feel great the next day even only getting 5 hours sleep. I've tried other medications but I feel horrible very hungover the next day. If you haven't tried Xanax and you are able to get some, give it a shot I don't think you'll be disappointed. And when I say 5 hours sleep, that's 5 hours and no waking up. Without the Xanax I wake up at least six times a night. Occasionally , I will wake up and not be able to get back to sleep. Supposedly, inositol will enable you to get back to sleep. Take about 1 gram when you can't get back too sleep. However, in your case if you're waking up anxious I'd really give lithium oratate a try, 5mg-10mg. Its cheap and easily accessible. Even with the lithium or any of the supplements that I have taken in the past I get up at least six times a night. But I am able to get back to sleep most of the time. My problem is getting too sleep. Some nights I don't get to sleep at all unless of course I take Xanax. I follow rules of thumb with Xanax to keep it from being addictive. No more than 0.5 mg every other night. Take it before 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning. I have taken it as late as 3:00 in the morning but then I get up at around 9:00 and half my days wasted, but I do feel good. Last night I tried some of my old supplements along with lithium. I took 500 mg of taurine with 500 mg of glycine, the synthetic version, along with 5 mg of lithium. Like I stated, it takes about an hour for anything too kick in for me. I did go to sleep but again I was up six times. I feel fine today which is great. I took the stack after laying in bed for about an hour. I have found being proactive to be much better than laying there in bed for 4 hours before I take something. However, since I'm still experimenting I give myself till 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning to go to sleep. As long as I have the Xanax to fall back on, I'm okay with experimenting. Hopefully, next week I'll have some results from the picamilon. One last note, probably the best sleep I've had in a long time was when I took Xanax before I went to bed. I only took a half a milligram but I slept all night, as opposed to waiting till 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning and only getting 5 hours sleep. I generally go to bed between 9:00 and 10:00 p.m.
A six week online course from the Cleveland Clinic called " Go to Sleep " was recommended by my sleep specialist and has helped me fall asleep much better. The course is only $40 and only takes a few minutes each day of your time. It has been well worth the money and little amount of time needed. Check it out on their website.
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