Is there anyone else out there with pure autonomic system failure?

I have lots of orthostatic hypotension but also underlying hypertension. Just would like to compare notes as to how others cope.

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@johnbishop

Hello @jeangreer, Welcome to Connect. I'm not sure @phstanton is still following Connect and may not respond. I did a search on PAF and thought you might find it helpful to scan through the results to see other discussions and comments - https://connect.mayoclinic.org/search/discussions/?search=PAF.

Have you been seen at Rochester Mayo before?

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Thank you. Mayo has been very helpful this way

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@cheyne

Hi,
I was diagnosed with Autonomic polyneuropathy after 12 years of every other diagnosis going. I can't say it is "pure" but it sure is invasive. It has a firm grip of my bladder, bowels digestion and blood pressure. I have numerous other symptoms and am lucky with no pain most of the time. My pain tolerance is rather high so it wouldn't be particularly noticed by me. All the other symptoms have a mind of their own hanging around to zap me when I least expect it. The trend seems to be following my BP readings, when they are high and they usually are, I'm not in for a very happy day. Very occasionally my BP drops to normal levels and I'm a youngster again for the few hours before the BP starts to rise again. My worst episode was paralysis from the waist down with nothing I could move until is subsided minutes latter. Fortunately rare although being left standing unable to control movement was a strange feeling. I have periods when I'm trying to relax that I feel like the body has been turned off which can last from 1 to 2 hours of as time. Sort of like a camera being turned off then back on and nothing has changed, the body doesn't relax, it stays frozen yet time has elapsed. On a particularly bad day I get blurry eyes, confusion, memory loss, loss of dexterity and vertigo combined with the inability to raise my feet to step properly, I stumble around. I generally shuffle around until I'm released from this living death or just sit down and wait out the bad patches, which can be all day. My symptoms are progressing and now take over most of my days. As far as I know the message from the brain to whichever part of the body is required to do something is being corrupted, some get through and some make no sense to the respective organs/muscles at all, while others are scrambled giving only partial response. Knowing it can take my life in a heartbeat without warning isn't a wonderful contemplation, but it is the reality of Autonomic polyneuropathy.
Cheers

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Totally understand the symptoms especially the raising of a foot and feeling like you might fall. Also understand the vision bluriness congusion and memory loss. I also have extreme anxiety probably from fear of falling.

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@isurvivealone

I have been dealing with orthostatic hypotension for 7 years. Symptoms were dizziness and difficulty breathing when I would stand. In 2009 it took a turn for the worse. I decided to go to Mayo. They determined I had an autonomic nervous system disorder. I would be interested in knowing how much your problem is like mine. I will share my experience with you also. I know of nobody else suffering with this.

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I may have already responded. The difficulty breathing is the worst.

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@jeangreer

Totally understand the symptoms especially the raising of a foot and feeling like you might fall. Also understand the vision bluriness congusion and memory loss. I also have extreme anxiety probably from fear of falling.

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Hi,
I'm finding ANS is causing the anxiety as part of the ANS not through stress. It seems to be part of the corrupted signals to and from the brain and not being able to rationalise the information correctly. On the now rare good days there is no anxiety. If I concentrate on what I'm doing and not rely on autonomical feature we have,do better. When my focus is interupted it gets me, almost like I'm not able to process multiple signals at one time.
Cheers

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@joker3070

I have vasomotor autonomic disorder. it affects my coronary system. Ive spent the last 5 years, with them trying to control my blood pressure. they would say you must not be taking your meds correctly or you are eating to much salt, or whatever elst they could think of as the excuse. well recently they finally diagnosed me, and took me off all my bp meds, and Im allowed to take clonodine IF my bp gets over 200 systolic. reason being my bp drops really low if Im at a normal bp. Ive passed out. Recently I had a tia stroke . very minor. they determined it was from blood pressure dropping to low for to long, and the brain called for more blood. In er, my systolic pressure hit 260. They have sent in a referal to mayo, and Im just waiting to hear from them. my blood pressure normally runs 265/ to 150/ now. accept those times when it decides to drop to low, wich for the last few days its been running under 100 most of the time. Its awful. causes me to stumble a lot.

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Hi,
I'm still learning just what medical events I have had that can be attibuted to ANS. I had 15 TIA's last year over three days and I thought my inability to walk without tripping to the left was something else. It was so bad I couldn't walk without walking sticks and definitely unable to drive. In hind sight I'm not so sure and wonder if they were all connected. My BP runs around 160/110 and has topped at 240/140. As a concequence I have an enlarged heart, what I would expect from pushing this BP for over 30 years. Not the disease I'm told it is! I only take BP meds to stop the 24/7 migraine, instead putting up with an occasional headache.
It is interesting that with every little scrap of information relayed here I'm getting to understand
ANS better and how symptoms and events that are happening to me are connected to ANS and not all the other diseases I'm supposed to have had on my ealth journey. Is the occasional missing heart beats ANS or what a Dr has stated as normal, it has me wondering as there seems to be a lack of understanding from most Dr's of ANS if they actually know what it is.
Cheers

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@rory922

I’m 80 yr old woman with PAF,
Pure Autonomic Failure, diagnosed 2 yrs ago by Mayo. If this is a current topic on Mayo Connect, I’d be very glad to compare notes on symptoms & coping. But at this point my first
need is this: No one knows what this neuro-degenerative disease is and it’s frustrating and tiring to explain, except to say my blood pressure plummets to 60/40s when I stand from sitting- or remain standing for more than 20mins. I’d appreciate hearing how others cope with explaining
this Nervous System Autonomic
Disorder. THANKS

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Thank you for your reply. Will stay in touch. The respiration is the worst. I wear myself out from shortness of breath. The only time I don’t have it is when I’m sleeping. Also loss of balance. Faulty equilibrium. Fatigue. Enervated and unmotivated 90% of the time .

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@kcarmack99

Is this discussion still active? I was diagnosed with PAF at Mayo in Feb 2022 and would love to connect with others sharing the disorder.

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Yes

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Yes or is brought up again.

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@cheyne

Hi,
I'm finding ANS is causing the anxiety as part of the ANS not through stress. It seems to be part of the corrupted signals to and from the brain and not being able to rationalise the information correctly. On the now rare good days there is no anxiety. If I concentrate on what I'm doing and not rely on autonomical feature we have,do better. When my focus is interupted it gets me, almost like I'm not able to process multiple signals at one time.
Cheers

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Thank you - have been told so many times it is caused by some unknown episode of stress

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Hi to jeangreer,
I especially understand and relate to your fatigue, mine is almost constant. Only time I’m fairly comfortable is when I’m in bed, reclining. Its where I attend to my paperwork, phone calls— all the stuff of life, especially when one lives alone. And I even eat in bed!
Sorry you’re having very hard time with shortness of breath. Has anyone suggested a form of easy breathing
excersises- similar to those given to fearful flyers to promote a degree of relaxation? The motivation problem is also a tough one. Hard to “get going” when you’re not steady on your feet and are exhausted before
you begin. Yet we all know how central it is to “ move our muscles”. Even for very short amount of time. Boosts our self-regard, helps to feel like we’re part of rest of the world. I believe some insurance provides at home physical therapy. Thank you for replying to my post. Wish you have some comfortable periods of time.

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