Tiredness

Posted by tiateacake @tiateacake, Jul 25 5:57am

I have tried everything to prevent the worn out tired feeling I get in the afternoon but today I realised stress/annoyance etc can have a massive effect on tiredness. I was trying to get an app on my phone and had to play the password game. 5 goes it took me and within 15 minutes I realised I was exhausted and very tired. Anyone else have similar experiences

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@lilyonm

to jabrown0407. Do you have a source or documentation for PMR having companion anemia symptoms? My iron and saturation is very low (iron 21 with a normal range of 37-170 and % saturation 7 with a normal range of 15-50). A pharmacist friend told me to have my iron level tested. My PA is stumped by this. There was concern that there could be some bleeding elsewhere in my body (colon) but if PMR does have a companion anemia component I am experiencing it along with great fatigue. A resource/reference would be great. Thanks.

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The chapter on GCA and PMR in a medical textbook (Goldman and Sachs) lists anemia as one of the symptoms of both disorders. A physician friend told me it's called "Anemia of Chronic Inflammation."
When I was diagnosed with GCA after a temporal artery biopsy and prescribed the appropriate dosage of prednisone, my anemia disappeared. I also was quite fatigued before taking prednisone. After making myself walk in the mornings, I was practically couchbound the rest of the day.

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Members in this discussion may also appreciate this related discussion:
- Feeling tired! Do others with PMR feel significantly more tired?: https://connect.mayoclinic.org/discussion/feeling-tired/

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@tsc

The chapter on GCA and PMR in a medical textbook (Goldman and Sachs) lists anemia as one of the symptoms of both disorders. A physician friend told me it's called "Anemia of Chronic Inflammation."
When I was diagnosed with GCA after a temporal artery biopsy and prescribed the appropriate dosage of prednisone, my anemia disappeared. I also was quite fatigued before taking prednisone. After making myself walk in the mornings, I was practically couchbound the rest of the day.

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@tsc. Thank you for the reference. Question: Were you on prednisone before your TAB? If so, how long and dosage?

I'm hesitant to get a TAB because I have been on a low dose of prednisone for 9 weeks and the steroid can interfere with an accurate reading. I have heard that One should have a TAB within two weeks of onset/concern and before taking a steroid.

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@lilyonm

@tsc. Thank you for the reference. Question: Were you on prednisone before your TAB? If so, how long and dosage?

I'm hesitant to get a TAB because I have been on a low dose of prednisone for 9 weeks and the steroid can interfere with an accurate reading. I have heard that One should have a TAB within two weeks of onset/concern and before taking a steroid.

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Hi @lilyonm, I was on prednisone a few days before I had the TAB. Do you get a regular CRP or ESR, blood tests, to determine your inflammation markers?
If you have any visual disturbance go to an Emergency Room immediately as undiagnosed GCA can cause blindness.
Did you speak to your doctor about your fatigue? Maybe your dosage of prednisone is too low. Have you seen a rheumatologist? S/he would probably be aware of other diagnostic tools for GCA.

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@jabrown0407

PMR often has a companion anemia symptom. Does your CBC show any signs of problems?
I was badly anemic pre-steroids, fine during steroid treatment then mildly anemic following steroids.
Even low iron can be cause fatigue. Please discuss with your PCP if it interferes with your daily activity to ensure the the cause of your fatigue is properly identified.

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My blood work was normal apart from the usual ESR and CPR, until a few months ago when Iron levels showed up as low. ( I believe it was the short stint on Methotrexate that screwed up my blood iron balance) Getting off the Methotrexate and two months on iron supplements have definitely helped improve energy levels. Iron levels and anemia were not something the Rheumatologist was looking for, it was my normal Doctor who noticed it when he did some extra blood tests. It highlights the importance of having a good PCP as many Rheumatologists seem to have tunnel vision when it comes to PMR.

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@tsc

Hi @lilyonm, I was on prednisone a few days before I had the TAB. Do you get a regular CRP or ESR, blood tests, to determine your inflammation markers?
If you have any visual disturbance go to an Emergency Room immediately as undiagnosed GCA can cause blindness.
Did you speak to your doctor about your fatigue? Maybe your dosage of prednisone is too low. Have you seen a rheumatologist? S/he would probably be aware of other diagnostic tools for GCA.

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My opthalmologist said majority of ERs do not have ability to screen for GCA. Please talk with your opthalmologist and make a plan jic you think you have symptoms.
My rheumatologist was casual about the possibility of this, my opthalmologist was not.

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@jlo2252

For tiateacake: Yes and don’t you hate playing the password games, whether it’s a new or old app you are trying to get into? Especially when you know you are inputting the correct info! And then you end up sometimes just changing your stupid password which is probably what they wanted all along so why don’t they just save you all the frustration and just say your password is expired? This just makes my fatigue worse for sure 😂😂. And probably my blood pressure goes up too ☹️😂

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For tiateacake,
Frustrations aside, have you had a CBC lately? I know recently on mine my hemoglobin
And hematocrit have been borderline low for anemia, which I know is making me more tired. I was taking a multivitamin that I stopped cause no matter what I ate it would upset my stomach! ( I should say here I don’t eat much at a meal). I’m going to try eating more frequent small meals and go back on the vitamins. Hard to say , also because we get fatigue just from having PMR!!

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I have been on prednisone for almost 15 months, but tapered down to 1 mg daily (0.5 in morning, 0.5 at night) about 2 weeks ago, and I have felt completely wiped out, and moodier. I thought it was mostly the warmer weather and dissatisfaction with my job but I've read that tapering can also be a cause.

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@bfh3

I have been on prednisone for almost 15 months, but tapered down to 1 mg daily (0.5 in morning, 0.5 at night) about 2 weeks ago, and I have felt completely wiped out, and moodier. I thought it was mostly the warmer weather and dissatisfaction with my job but I've read that tapering can also be a cause.

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Your right. It will get better. Your almost off. Good job. It can take 2-3months to feel better. Your body is still trying to restart cortisol. But at 1mg day it is restarting. Thats the good news. Here is clip from Mayo.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/prednisone-withdrawal/expert-answers/faq-20057923

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Keep up the good work....you've come this far..don't give up!

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