Intraductal Papillary Mucinous Neoplasms (IPMN) with symptoms

Posted by rabbit22 @rabbit22, Dec 30, 2023

I have a 12mm IPMN: CT and MRI. I’m scheduled for EUS-FNA on Wednesday. I have symptoms now: upper back pain, stomach pain, nausea, weight loss. Mayo scheduled me for a Jan 15th call back. They said no sooner. What should I be doing to move the process along? I’m so worried as the symptoms are getting worse.

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@rabbit22 , you're very welcome.

Repeating the standard disclaimer that I HAVE ZERO MEDICAL TRAINING...

...Regarding the genetic testing in general (i.e., blood test for inherited or spontaneous mutations), the GI docs seem to push that off toward oncologists and genetic counselors for their specialized ability to explain results to the patient.

If you don't have an oncologist yet, you could ask the GI doc to refer you to a genetic counselor for the basic (inherited/germline) test, because that would help identify whether you are a high-risk patient or not. Certain mutations and/or close family members with similar cancers could put you into a category that justifies closer monitoring than the average patient.

FWIW, MD Anderson just updated their pancreatic cancer screening recommendations here:
https://www.mdanderson.org/content/dam/mdanderson/documents/for-physicians/algorithms/screening/screening-pancreatic-web-algorithm.pdf
On page 2 it shows their high-risk criteria and the list of mutations considered risk factors.

There is also set of Fukuoka Guidelines / Classifications for managing IPMNs. Last update I could find was 2017, discussed here:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1424390317305161?via%3Dihub
and with a nice flow chart here:
https://www.endoscopy-campus.com/en/classifications/impn-fukuoka-classification-guidelines/
Since you are getting an EUS soon, you will be at the big decision block "Are any of these features present?" and answers to that will probably guide your next stage of diagnosis/treatment. If the answer to that question is "No," and the EUS confirms the size reported on your MRI (1.2 cm), then I interpret that as moving you to the second box on the bottom row (CT or MRI every 6 months for 1 year, then once per year for 2 years, then every other year if no change).

But, recalling that you are exhibiting 3 out of the 4 symptoms where Anderson's chart says, "Proceed to diagnostic evaluation," don't let them short-change you on the diagnosis.

Two additional thoughts:

1) The EUS procedure itself can aggravate your pancreas and cause pancreatitis, which could elevate your CA19-9 level. Have you already had that tested? It's good to know your own baselines in order to track changes. But it would be ideal if they could test it again before your procedure so it's not artificially induced to a higher level.

2) As I mentioned before, my EUS biopsy did not find malignant cells. A question I wish I had asked my GI surgeon was whether the tissue looked "normal" rather than just whether malignant cells were present or not. Although he diagnosed pancreatitis, I had never had any symptoms of pancreatitis before or after my Whipple surgery. Pancreatic cancer cells (PDAC type at least) frequently wrap themselves up inside of a "stroma" which is a fairly dense envelope of other tissue (fibroblasts and pancreatic stellate cells that produce and deposit fibronectin and collagens). Presence of this tissue would seem to me to not be "normal" tissue for the biopsied organ; even if it doesn't show malignant cells, it might indicate the biopsy only dug part way through the envelope.

In my case, I still have the main tumor that recurred at the original surgical site, plus a couple mets spread out around the abdomen and peritoneum, so there's no practical surgery or radiation option. We're just (thankfully!) keeping it all under control with old-fashioned chemo for now.

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Amazing info; I just read your post. I really like info about the way cells looked. My EUS dr who have tremendous respect for since he basically saved my life in 2022 when he inserted a stent in my leaking pancreatic duct that was causing GI bleeding after my distal surgery told me after the my EUS/biopsy in Nov 2023 that’s in my celiac/hepatic artery is where my cancer came back (right after the procedure). The biopsy however from that area was negative but even my oncologist at the time felt since it’s difficult to get a sample there that they probably just weren’t able to get a good sample. When I was gathering 2nd and 3rd opinions the Cedar Sinai dr said that soft tissue area around those arteries is where my cancer had come back as was the reason I was having right-sided pain. So, the point you make about asking if the cells looked different is a good one I think, I’m just not sure if that would be enough info for drs proceed further unless cancer had to metastasized to other areas as well.

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I have Questions about, trying to find out what could be wrong with my pancreas. I have chronic pancreatitis
But can’t seem to get better, my gut hurts all the time, I also have hardening of the liver. And I had an endoscopy done last month, to see about a systemic portal hypertension shunt.
That showed up last year, I’m at a point to where I don’t know what’s going on inside my body, but I know something is wrong. I can’t get it straight answer from a doctor. My blood test are off and I’m very concerned for my health , it’s like my whole body is going crazy I have so many things wrong with me. And I know a lot of my medical conditions and am dealing with the ones I can as best as I can, But this internal thing has me a mess I seen one doctor and am not sure about what. I have been told, he believes it’s my pancreas that is giving me so much trouble but noting more has been said or done, to help me, And I’m sorry I think it’s you’re pancreas and not get any other information then that is alarming to me. Should I seek a second opinion. Because I still don’t know what’s going on other than he thinks it’s my pancreas ???
I have not been contacted for another appointment or given any other information.

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