Confused by doctor options to choose, including Keith McCormick

Posted by stacibw @stacibw, Apr 2 11:51am

I’m still learning and navigating my Osteoporosis diagnosis and trying to get my healthcare providers lined up. I’m 51.

I have a PCP who I will only be using as a “sick doctor” going forward. She is aware of my diagnosis and is not up to date on care or treatment.

I have a neuro-kinetic therapist who I work with (recovering from a back injury) who is extremely knowledgeable in osteoporosis exercise. So I will continue to work with her for strength building.

I have a gyn who is not knowledgeable about osteoporosis and referred me to a local endocrinologist.

Those are all of my current health care providers.

Here’s where I’m getting confused….

I really am drawn to Keith McCormick. I prefer functional medicine but like that he also is incredibly knowledgeable about meds and doesn’t hesitate to use them when needed. I have no problems with video appointments.

I have a consultation with the Mayo Clinic in July - the endocrinology team.
They will review my case and decide if they will provide a treatment plan for my local docs or if they will accept me as a patient. So that’s up in the air.

There is a local functional doctor, who specializes in healthy aging and osteoporosis that I am considering.

The endocrinologist that my gyn referred me to doesn’t have an opening until August.

My questions….

Do people use Keith McCormick to completely manage osteo? Or do you also have a local endocrinologist and they work together? Furthermore, when McCormick orders labs, is that done at a local lab or through my regular doc? Thinking costs…..and insurance (I have Cigna - too young for Medicare) for all of those lab tests.

Does anyone have a functional doctor that manages osteoporosis in collaboration with Keith McCormick?

Does anyone see a dietician? I eat a whole foods plant based diet, so am realizing that I am deficient in quite a bit of protein and calcium according to “Strong Bones” teachings. Both of the functional med doctors have nutritionists on board that could help with that.

I’m so overwhelmed just choosing providers! What do you suggest?

Cost does matter - it isn’t the driving factor at this point (understanding and knowledge is the highest priority now).

As of now - I’m flying solo until the end of July, when I meet with Mayo. Wish I had some solid medical guidance before then, but so far have not been able to get earlier new patient appts.

What are most people doing - especially those who have seen or talked to Keith McCormick for a consult or care?

The more I read, the more confused I get. I have time to make decisions, but half a year will have passed before I actually see someone, let alone make any decisions about care. Need to get my ducks in a row.

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@katwhisperer

Interesting to hear different doctors' take on which med. The doc I consulted is pretty experienced in treating osteo for years now. The recco for me was to take Tymlos. I asked about Evenity and doc had strong opinions against it - won't prescribe or recommend Evenity to patients right now. Feels it's still too new, without enough real-world results yet and is leery on the elevated heart risks seen in some patient results.

This doc is fairly cautious/conservative though. So take that for what it's worth. As we know, other docs feel differently. Is it any wonder we're confused? lol

For the person asking about a Mayo consult via zoom - they refused when i tried. They said first appt MUST be in person, regardless of where the patient lives. Won't do virtual. 🙁

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katwhisperer. I like your endo. Does he order bone markers.

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I agree with those who have the opinion that Evenity is too new and not studied enough and though my endocrinologist wants me to take it and feels that if you have no heart issues to begin with then you should be able to safely take it, I am prone to chest pain and so I think being on events would be very stressful for me. I also have had IBS since 2005 so I am wondering if Forteo would exasperate digestive problems like that. Or if Tymlos would be less apt to do that. My primary says that Forteo is the way to go because it builds bone but if it causes me stomach issues I can just go off it. However once you go on it you can stop it but then you have to immediately start something else and I guess that would be Recast. If you can tolerate Recast-great but then after a few years you have to stop taking it, and then what?? I've got an appt to be evaluated for Onero. I hope that's the answer because other than that I'm not sure. I've been on Fosamax for two years about twenty years ago and have had acid reflux ever since. I'm a 72 year old granny with severe osteoporosis and I've been on a lot of supplements for osteoporosis for the past two years and have broken my hip by a fall two years ago and so far for the past three years have been stable with my Dexa Scans, praise God. I'm not too dedicated to exercise because it's difficult for me. But I'm persevering!!!

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@edwinabutterfly

I agree with those who have the opinion that Evenity is too new and not studied enough and though my endocrinologist wants me to take it and feels that if you have no heart issues to begin with then you should be able to safely take it, I am prone to chest pain and so I think being on events would be very stressful for me. I also have had IBS since 2005 so I am wondering if Forteo would exasperate digestive problems like that. Or if Tymlos would be less apt to do that. My primary says that Forteo is the way to go because it builds bone but if it causes me stomach issues I can just go off it. However once you go on it you can stop it but then you have to immediately start something else and I guess that would be Recast. If you can tolerate Recast-great but then after a few years you have to stop taking it, and then what?? I've got an appt to be evaluated for Onero. I hope that's the answer because other than that I'm not sure. I've been on Fosamax for two years about twenty years ago and have had acid reflux ever since. I'm a 72 year old granny with severe osteoporosis and I've been on a lot of supplements for osteoporosis for the past two years and have broken my hip by a fall two years ago and so far for the past three years have been stable with my Dexa Scans, praise God. I'm not too dedicated to exercise because it's difficult for me. But I'm persevering!!!

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Hi @edwinabutterfly, You've been through so much. That must be really tough.
It's great that you have that appointment for Onero, and you're fortunate to have access to a location that offers it. I just recently watched a video of Margie Bissinger interviewing Dr. Claudia (the first U.S. adopter of Onero) who said that the participants don't want to stop. Some drive 2 hours or more each way to get there. I hope it's the answer for you.
If you're interested in watching that interview, here's the link: https://youtu.be/k5SOFJnTyFc?si=gEYUQOr7tkBtSTjm

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I agree with your primary. Forteo is unlikely to cause stomach issues. Whatever effects it casuses should go away within 24 hours as the medication (unlike many others) leaves your system quickly. as your primary informs us, you just quit taking it. Tymlos is a similar medication with slightly higher increase in BMD. You could be allergic to one or the other and can readily switch if you had problems with Forteo.
I'm a little older than you are and have been taking Forteo for over a year without adverse effect. I recommend Forteo (all the time, excessively) because I've had such a good experience with it. For some it is intolerable. You lose gains with Forteo when it is stopped, but it is a much slower loss than Evenity or Prolia. And you don't lose lower than baseline. You might though consider getting Bone Markers (CTX, P1NP) to be certain that Forteo is working for you. One set before starting and one set at two months.
Forteo was previously limited to 18 months. Now, patients are extending use to commonly 3 but I've heard of six years. Keep persevering and posting. Let us know what you decide and how it works.
Nausea was signaled in the clinical trials of Forteo. The thinking is that this is caused by shifting calcium levels. It is said that this adverse reaction resolves in the first week as your body adjusts . i never had any, and hope you wouldn't either.
Forteo and Tymlos both build bone. Reclast, all the bisphosphonates and Prolia work by preventing older bone from remodeling. Tymlos and Forteo increase BMD more rapidly. And it is good strong new bone.

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@edwinabutterfly

I agree with those who have the opinion that Evenity is too new and not studied enough and though my endocrinologist wants me to take it and feels that if you have no heart issues to begin with then you should be able to safely take it, I am prone to chest pain and so I think being on events would be very stressful for me. I also have had IBS since 2005 so I am wondering if Forteo would exasperate digestive problems like that. Or if Tymlos would be less apt to do that. My primary says that Forteo is the way to go because it builds bone but if it causes me stomach issues I can just go off it. However once you go on it you can stop it but then you have to immediately start something else and I guess that would be Recast. If you can tolerate Recast-great but then after a few years you have to stop taking it, and then what?? I've got an appt to be evaluated for Onero. I hope that's the answer because other than that I'm not sure. I've been on Fosamax for two years about twenty years ago and have had acid reflux ever since. I'm a 72 year old granny with severe osteoporosis and I've been on a lot of supplements for osteoporosis for the past two years and have broken my hip by a fall two years ago and so far for the past three years have been stable with my Dexa Scans, praise God. I'm not too dedicated to exercise because it's difficult for me. But I'm persevering!!!

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If your bone density scan shows severe osteoporosis, you have those three choices: Forteo, Tymlos and Evenity, all of which build bone. I chose Tymlos because the injection pen has "clicks" allowing the dose to be adjusted. I started at a lower dose and moved up as my body adjusted. But that's me and I was too sensitive to Forteo. Another poster will say they were better with Forteo. It is very individual.

McCormick in his book "Great Bones" and others have said Evenity is great if you need to improve fast. Sounds like that might be you. On the other hand Tymlos and Forteo are good for healing and you can take Evenity after Tymlos or Forteo.

It sounds like you are in a bit of dangerous predicament so a strong bone builder that works fast, like Evenity, isn't a bad idea but talk with your doctor.

The study on cardiovascular risk showed no difference between Evenity and placebo but Fosamax was slightly better, possibly due to chance. I do think the various effects of inhibiting sclerostin need more investigation but most people are doing really well on Evenity. (I did Tymlos then 4 months Evenity and now Reclast.)

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@windyshores

If your bone density scan shows severe osteoporosis, you have those three choices: Forteo, Tymlos and Evenity, all of which build bone. I chose Tymlos because the injection pen has "clicks" allowing the dose to be adjusted. I started at a lower dose and moved up as my body adjusted. But that's me and I was too sensitive to Forteo. Another poster will say they were better with Forteo. It is very individual.

McCormick in his book "Great Bones" and others have said Evenity is great if you need to improve fast. Sounds like that might be you. On the other hand Tymlos and Forteo are good for healing and you can take Evenity after Tymlos or Forteo.

It sounds like you are in a bit of dangerous predicament so a strong bone builder that works fast, like Evenity, isn't a bad idea but talk with your doctor.

The study on cardiovascular risk showed no difference between Evenity and placebo but Fosamax was slightly better, possibly due to chance. I do think the various effects of inhibiting sclerostin need more investigation but most people are doing really well on Evenity. (I did Tymlos then 4 months Evenity and now Reclast.)

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I appreciated your feedback. I think I might have GI tract problems with Forteo. I will price Tymlos and Evenity ( probably the most expensive of all osteoporosis drugs unfortunately) before deciding what to do. I hope one of them will work for me as my spine is -4 and hip is -3 which is not good but at least there has been no change in three years. My doctor is pushing Evenity as I saw him today. There's going to be a family wedding in Florida in 6 months and we live in NJ and so I feel like I need a bone builder asap so I can feel comfortable traveling down there! Best of luck to you in your healing journey.

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@edwinabutterfly and all- I’m not sure of the cost of Evenity , but I can tell you that Forteo IS more expensive than Tylmos.

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Further- My research has told me Forteo is better to increase density of the spine versus Tymlos . And Tymlos does a little better than Forteo at the hip. This was the very reason I choose Forteo. Everyone is different , and that I’m sure plays into this . Below are the value’s DrMcCormick states in his Great Bones book. Though he’s an expert, others may disagree with him.

In the first two years:

Approximate increase in SPINE BMD
FORTEO- 10-12 %
TYMLOS - 9-10%

Approximate increase in HIP BMD
FORTEO- 1.5-2%
TYMLOS - 2-3%

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@ans

Further- My research has told me Forteo is better to increase density of the spine versus Tymlos . And Tymlos does a little better than Forteo at the hip. This was the very reason I choose Forteo. Everyone is different , and that I’m sure plays into this . Below are the value’s DrMcCormick states in his Great Bones book. Though he’s an expert, others may disagree with him.

In the first two years:

Approximate increase in SPINE BMD
FORTEO- 10-12 %
TYMLOS - 9-10%

Approximate increase in HIP BMD
FORTEO- 1.5-2%
TYMLOS - 2-3%

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@ans three years ago I saw a chart that said Tymlos was better for spine. I can try to find it. The point being they are both really helpful and results may vary from individual to individual and from study to study. I would decide based on tolerability and cost!

Tymlos improved my spine 20%, taking it from severe to borderline. Hip improved 9%.

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@gently

I agree with your primary. Forteo is unlikely to cause stomach issues. Whatever effects it casuses should go away within 24 hours as the medication (unlike many others) leaves your system quickly. as your primary informs us, you just quit taking it. Tymlos is a similar medication with slightly higher increase in BMD. You could be allergic to one or the other and can readily switch if you had problems with Forteo.
I'm a little older than you are and have been taking Forteo for over a year without adverse effect. I recommend Forteo (all the time, excessively) because I've had such a good experience with it. For some it is intolerable. You lose gains with Forteo when it is stopped, but it is a much slower loss than Evenity or Prolia. And you don't lose lower than baseline. You might though consider getting Bone Markers (CTX, P1NP) to be certain that Forteo is working for you. One set before starting and one set at two months.
Forteo was previously limited to 18 months. Now, patients are extending use to commonly 3 but I've heard of six years. Keep persevering and posting. Let us know what you decide and how it works.
Nausea was signaled in the clinical trials of Forteo. The thinking is that this is caused by shifting calcium levels. It is said that this adverse reaction resolves in the first week as your body adjusts . i never had any, and hope you wouldn't either.
Forteo and Tymlos both build bone. Reclast, all the bisphosphonates and Prolia work by preventing older bone from remodeling. Tymlos and Forteo increase BMD more rapidly. And it is good strong new bone.

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@gently You mentioned “Forteo was previously limited to 18 months. Now, patients are extending use to commonly 3 but I've heard of six years.”

Are patients using a bisphosphonate after 18 months of Forteo and returning to Forteo or staying on Forteo for 3 years straight? If using a bisphosphonate, fossamax or reclast or does it matter?

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